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10-29-2007, 02:31 PM
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Pletcher did win the second biggest race of the day. When a trainer wins 1 race on BC day it is a great day. So if you ask me he had a very good day.
As for Nobiz, what is your point. He barely held on for 4th in a race where the beyer was a 108 for the winner. So what did Nobiz run a 100. The European with the terrible post ran by him like he was standing still. Same slow horse. Get a clue. 
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10-29-2007, 02:33 PM
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10-29-2007, 02:37 PM
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Great a 103. Which I believe he had already run before, maybe on dirt. Are we now saying horses that run a 103 beyer are fast? Excellent Art ran by him like he was stuck in mud. Curlin ran a 119. English Channel a 110+. Those are fast horses but somehow we hear more about this Nobiz horse than we ever hear about English Channel. Give it up already. The horse is not fast.
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10-29-2007, 02:44 PM
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10-29-2007, 03:00 PM
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10-29-2007, 03:06 PM
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10-29-2007, 02:38 PM
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We all do know to take most turf beyers with a grain of salt, right?
Both progression and regression.
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10-29-2007, 02:44 PM
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10-29-2007, 02:46 PM
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The horse could improve at 4 but nothing in his 3yr old season makes me believe he is a fast horse. A solid stakes horse but nothing to write home about. The hype around the horse is very puzzling.
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10-29-2007, 02:59 PM
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The horses he beat in his BC preps were no world beaters, it was just the impressive fashion in how he drew off down the stretch. He most certainly can make some noise in the turf division if he continues to take to the grass.
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10-29-2007, 02:59 PM
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I cant understand the hating of the horse. To say that he did not run an excellent race in the mile is puzzling. He ran 4th and was only beaten 2 lengths despite a wide trip. He arguably ran as good as anyone in there and is the only runner who is still eligible to improve as a 4 year old. He may not be Miesque but he is a versitile horse who runs consistently on different surfaces and different distances. He is easily one of the top 6 or 7 three year olds this year from a good crop of about 18000 male foals. What's not to like?
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10-29-2007, 03:06 PM
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He seems to always have an excuse. Whether it was the crowd bothered him (hilarious) or he got a wide trip. Wow a wide trip in a turf mile race. Who would have thought it. The knock on him in this race was he just flattened out and a horse like Excellent Art, who had a much harder trip, just blew by him. Is he a nice horse? Sure, but he is nothing special. To say this horse had a good day and Pletcher a bad day (the topic of the thread) is very funny. The one guy wins the second biggest race of the day and the horse runs a fading 4th. Now who had the good day and who had the bad day? Reality check for this horse please.
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10-29-2007, 03:09 PM
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10-29-2007, 03:16 PM
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Pletcher winning one race is not a good day as per the standards that he set, especially when he had 2 possibiles for horse of the year run way off the board. Sure it might be a great day for a smaller trainer but I'm sure he is not really that thrilled over it.
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10-29-2007, 03:23 PM
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10-30-2007, 05:48 AM
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10-30-2007, 06:57 AM
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It's funny how publicity or public expectations of a horse can skew your own opinion.. Personally, I didn't care for the dirt incantation of Nobiz Like Shobiz at all during the Derby Trail, but have come to really like him now. I thought he ran very credibly Saturday and as mentioned elsewhere, talked with Tagg waiting for Velazquez to come back with the colt. He wasn't happy with the wide run and swing out on the turn by JV, but seemed please with the horse's effort and progress overall. He also speculated that Nobiz is going to continue to improve saying, "He's got a lot more to do yet."
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10-31-2007, 11:15 AM
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