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10-28-2007, 10:27 AM
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that link i posted was about george before the bc, and his gallop over the muddy track. aidan seemed happy with how he was looking going in, and no concerns. like i said, unless this horse was unsound, i don't see that anyone should point a finger at anyone.
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10-28-2007, 10:47 AM
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I'm just going to say that hindsight is a wonderful thing. You say that afew weren't liking the surface either, but George was struggling after three furlongs. After going six furlongs he was only going to finish last.
I know that Aidan was happy with the track on Friday morning, but they hadn't had much rain by that time. The track was muddy, but it wasn't too bad. As i said, hindsight is a wonderful thing. I'm not the only one who thinks he should have been scratched and that includes both europeans and Americans. The slop was never going to suit him, and althought it probably the reason for his tragic brake down. If he hadn't have run it wouldn't have happened. I know there was a big concern on the day about the track, a concern about both tracks.
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10-28-2007, 10:51 AM
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While we're on the topic of rights and wrongs, if I was the owner of Better Talk Now, I would have scratched him immediately. I'm thankful that he's OK.
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10-28-2007, 10:52 AM
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10-28-2007, 10:54 AM
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several others didn't handle the course well either. should they all have pulled up? or just george, because his jock knows something bad is going to happen?
Not necessarily, but it wouldn't have been frowned upon either. Plenty of horses have pulled up in the BC when hopelessly beaten (eg Gentlemen, David Junior, Go and Go, Home At Last, etc). However, of all the horses that failed to handle the main track yesterday, George Washington was the one traveling most conspicuously to the point where the possibility that something was amiss other than the surface came in to play. he was already slowing down. i don't believe the jock was riding him at the point that the injury occurred. I don't blame Kinane for what happened. Like I said, he probably assumed it was the surface that was causing the horse's poor action (and maybe it was). However, the fact that he wasn't driving on the horse when he broke down actually suggests that injury started much earlier in the race. hell, horses have been out for a routine gallop, not even a work, and suffered catastrophic injuries. That's totally unrelated to what happened here, but 9 times out of 10, horses that breakdown galloping have pre-existing injuries. I'm not going to suggest that's the case with George Washington. this is no ones fault. it's part of racing. george could have had the same thing happen had he run in the mile. If he was traveling as poorly in the Mile as he was in the Classic, it would have been better to pull him up there, too. In fact, maybe it would have tipped Kinane off better, if it was a type of going he knew the horse could handle. this is why so many said thank goodness go for wand didn't run in the classic vs males, like so many wanted. her owner and trainer would have been torn to pieces. Weren't they after the Distaff?
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10-28-2007, 10:57 AM
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but my gosh had they run her the way so many wanted, they'd have been blasted for it if she'd have suffered that breakdown in the classic.
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10-28-2007, 11:01 AM
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no.
but my gosh had they run her the way so many wanted, they'd have been blasted for it if she'd have suffered that breakdown in the classic. I misread what you wrote. You meant that they would literally be "torn to pieces". You're probably right.
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10-28-2007, 11:05 AM
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it's like when azeri was winning, so many enjoyed it, and wanted more, more. then she lost. oh, they should have quit while they were ahead, she's done enough, don't run her more...fickle fans.
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10-28-2007, 11:14 AM
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I wanted this horse to run, just not in the Classic. Anywhere but the Classic. Nothing to do with the injury, but i wanted to see him in a race he actually had a chance in. The Champion Stakes at Newmarket for his for the taking the weekend before, why oh why choose the f'ing classic? Eagle Mountain was beaten a head in the Champion Stakes, he George was 10 lengths better than he is! I'm annoyed because the Classic shouldn't have been even a possible for the horse. Especially a classic on a dreadful track. No one over here thought he had a chance after the rain. He was being driven hard by Mick Kinane after three furlongs, and if you have seen any of his races before, you will know that is not him AT ALL. He is usually pulling his riders arms out in the early stages of ANY race. There are awful similarities between this and Horatio in the Epsom Derby, doubts at the start and then it happens. I have to agree with Rollo here. As i write this i see yet another brake down on the track 
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10-28-2007, 11:30 AM
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but altho there are similarities between horatio and george, i don't think there was a question about georges soundness just before starting, as there was in horatios case.
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10-28-2007, 11:42 AM
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It is just a tradgedy that the horse broke down. I do not think that you could fault any of the connections involved. We all complain on this board that we lose our stars to the shed way too early. They brought back a four year old to the races. What would have been said when things didn't work out in the shed and then they just put him away in a field at 4 to graze for the rest of his life. I think people would have been clamoring for them to bring him back. As far as the choice of going in the classic, I personally would have rather seen him in the mile. But from what I remember, he didn't have the best trip in the classic last year and he was chasing at least one monster home. He was on the rail the whole way and then had to go 5 wide and he also got bumped. Maybe the owners thought that last years race was much deeper than this years and thought they had a legit shot to win or at least hit the board. Bottom line is that you can bitch and moan all you want, we all lost a wonderful horse.
RIP big fella, you will be missed.
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