Scav's thoughts on today

King Glorious · #1 10-27-2007, 09:05 PM

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4) Curlin accomplished something that I think we will never see again (echoing DrugS opinion)....To go from a maiden winner to Classic winner in a year is truly amazing, hopefully we can enjoy him next year (Arlington Million please)

We had Tiznow do that in 2000. We damn near had Bernardini do it last year. So that's almost three times in eight years. It is a huge feat but I woulnd't be surprised to see it happen some more. The reason why is simple. Look at next year. How many of the top older horses and top 3yo's from this year will be coming back next season? Say Curlin, Hard Spun, Street Sense, AGS and Lawyer Ron are all retired. That almost makes War Pass the favorite for next year's Classic already. And more and more, we are seeing top horses get started later and later. This year, Curlin. Last year, Bernardini. I think Rock Hard Ten made his debut as a 3yo in 2004. It's going to happen again because so many top horses that would be contenders that next year are gone at the end of the season.

Scav · #2 10-27-2007, 09:07 PM

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We had Tiznow do that in 2000. We damn near had Bernardini do it last year. So that's almost three times in eight years. It is a huge feat but I woulnd't be surprised to see it happen some more. The reason why is simple. Look at next year. How many of the top older horses and top 3yo's from this year will be coming back next season? Say Curlin, Hard Spun, Street Sense, AGS and Lawyer Ron are all retired. That almost makes War Pass the favorite for next year's Classic already. And more and more, we are seeing top horses get started later and later. This year, Curlin. Last year, Bernardini. I think Rock Hard Ten made his debut as a 3yo in 2004. It's going to happen again because so many top horses that would be contenders that next year are gone at the end of the season.

Tiznow or Bernardini were not FIRST TIME STARTER MAIDENS to BC Classic winner in the same year.

King Glorious · #3 10-27-2007, 09:08 PM

I know Bernardini wasn't. That's why I said we damn near did. Are u sure Tiznow wasn't though?

Scav · #4 10-27-2007, 09:10 PM

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I know Bernardini wasn't. That's why I said we damn near did. Are u sure Tiznow wasn't though?

Almost positive, DrugS if he reads this thread will confirm for me

King Glorious · #5 10-27-2007, 09:11 PM

I just looked. Tiznow did not race as a 2yo in 1999. He made his first career start on April 22 of his 3yo season and didn't break his maiden till his third start on May 31.

The Indomitable DrugS · #6 10-27-2007, 10:49 PM

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Almost positive, DrugS if he reads this thread will confirm for me

Tiznow didn't break his maiden until like April of his 3yo season. I believe he ran 5th or 6th in his debut.

Curlin's debut win was remarkable - but I discussed it because it came for another trainer - one without a reputation for playing the game on the edge.

To me, it proved he was a giant talent...and certainly squashed any doubts that he wouldn't be a superstar for a less aggressive trainer.