Question For Saratoga Folks

ARyan · #1 10-25-2007, 10:18 AM

Just for those who said it is far too cold up here to host a BC...

http://www.weather.com/weather/weeke...nav_undeclared

Outside of the 50% chance of Rain, high of 70 on Saturday dosen't seem too bad...

ARyan · #2 10-25-2007, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Would you agree that it has been unseasonably warm up here and this is more or less the exception than reality when it comes to weather? I mean it's fun to rehash these old arguements, but if it were snowing right now (something unlikely, but as probable as it being 70), the arguement is the same.

Actually, its been off and on. Almost a frost the other morning, and then some days top out at 75. Then last night I had my windows and sreen doors open because it was so nice.

The weather up here is always a crapshoot, I don't think its any more warmer this fall then the last few years I can rememebr. Look at Sunday in that forcast, 54 high. Like I said, its a crapshoot. I have lived up here for almost my entire life, and some falls you won't see a snowfall (till January), and others it snows in early October.

I guess my point is that anywhere in the Northeast (Toronto to Monmouth to Belmont) you are going to be hit or miss on the weather. You can't count Saratoga out because of it. On the flip side, it really has no indoor seating, and that is probably one of the biggest issues with it for the BC. If you do get a cold, rainy day, where will the attendees go to seek shelter?

I just hope I can squeeze into some shelter tomorrow and Saturday at Monmouth...

kgar311 · #3 10-25-2007, 11:34 AM

Wow out of all of the smart people on here (granted I havent read all the threads) but there is a reason the BC is not held at Saratoga. There are up to 14 horse fields in each race of the BC and the Saratoga track is not wide enough to accomodate 14 horse fields. Along with the sharp turns on the grass, Saratogas "racecourse" is whats not big enough. Not the stands.

ARyan · #4 10-25-2007, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by kgar311

Wow out of all of the smart people on here (granted I havent read all the threads) but there is a reason the BC is not held at Saratoga. There are up to 14 horse fields in each race of the BC and the Saratoga track is not wide enough to accomodate 14 horse fields. Along with the sharp turns on the grass, Saratogas "racecourse" is whats not big enough. Not the stands.

I do not agree with this at all. I think you are flat out wrong. Look where it is being held this year.

By the way, your first sentence is not coherent or even a proper sentance.

kgar311 · #5 10-25-2007, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ARyan

I do not agree with this at all, I think you are flat out wrong. Look where it is being held this year.

By the way, your first sentance is not coherent or even a proper sentance.

Whats a sentance?????????? Anyways it is the reason, its fact, not my guess that its the reason. Saratogas turf course will only accomodate 10 horses not 14 dummy. The turns are way too tight. Once again this is not a guess.

Danzig · #6 10-25-2007, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by kgar311

Whats a sentance?????????? Anyways it is the reason, its fact, not my guess that its the reason. Saratogas turf course will only accomodate 10 horses not 14 dummy. The turns are way too tight. Once again this is not a guess.

you can fit ten horses, but not 14 dummies? hmm, didn't know that. but maybe it depends on the size of the dummy.

kgar311 · #7 10-25-2007, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

you can fit ten horses, but not 14 dummies? hmm, didn't know that. but maybe it depends on the size of the dummy.

Im sure you can fit 14 ARyan's on the turf course.

kgar311 · #8 10-25-2007, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ARyan

By the way, your first sentance is not coherent or even a proper sentance.

And I believe this is what english teachers would call a run on "sentence."

Let me help you: Your first "sentence" is not coherent or proper.

Please Please correct your grammar and spelling before you even open up that can of worms.

ARyan · #9 10-25-2007, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by kgar311

And I believe this is what english teachers would call a run on "sentence."

Let me help you: Your first "sentence" is not coherent or proper.

Please Please correct your grammar and spelling before you even open up that can of worms.

Sorry, I did not have time to proofread my post. However, your sentence did not make any sense. That is on top of the fact that your whole post was wrong.

kgar311 · #10 10-25-2007, 01:13 PM

Prove me wrong please, im begging you. It is a known fact.

philcski · #11 10-25-2007, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by kgar311

Wow out of all of the smart people on here (granted I havent read all the threads) but there is a reason the BC is not held at Saratoga. There are up to 14 horse fields in each race of the BC and the Saratoga track is not wide enough to accomodate 14 horse fields. Along with the sharp turns on the grass, Saratogas "racecourse" is whats not big enough. Not the stands.

Width of Belmont stretch: 100'
Width of Saratoga stretch: 100'

Q.E.D

sumitas · #12 10-25-2007, 12:28 PM

It'll never happen. Belmont is fine.

Cannon Shell · #13 10-25-2007, 12:37 PM

They should hold the BC in warm weather venues only.
2008 - Santa Anita
2009- Sunland Park
2010- Turf Paradise
2011 -Calder
2012 - Fair Grounds
2013 - Fairplex

paisjpq · #14 10-25-2007, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

They should hold the BC in warm weather venues only.
2008 - Santa Anita
2009- Sunland Park
2010- Turf Paradise
2011 -Calder
2012 - Fair Grounds
2013 - Fairplex

I'm in for the fairplex trip.

kgar311 · #15 10-25-2007, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski

Width of Belmont stretch: 100'
Width of Saratoga stretch: 100'

Q.E.D

Phil Phil, im disappointed in you. Number one there aren't 14 horses sprinting into a clubhouse turn at Belmont and 2 they couldn't fit a 14 horse gate in the stretch at Saratoga.

philcski · #16 10-25-2007, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by kgar311

Phil Phil, im disappointed in you. Number one there aren't 14 horses sprinting into a clubhouse turn at Belmont and 2 they couldn't fit a 14 horse gate in the stretch at Saratoga.

(1) the gate at Saratoga is 14 horses.

(2) the same problem arises at any 1 1/8 circumference course that has hosted any event; Arlington, Hollywood, Aqueduct, etc. The run to the first turn is short in the Distaff. From a course perspective, there's two problems at Saratoga: 1, no way to run a dirt mile, and 2, juveniles would have to go a 1 1/8- which I don't think is a good thing- and the only time this was done in the BC was at Arlington and it didn't work out so well for the Juvy colts&geldings.

There's a problem with every course, Belmont has the quirky start for the 1 1/4 Classic; Churchill can't run a 1 1/4 turf race, Santa Anita will have problems with the Dirt Mile, etc.

kgar311 · #17 10-25-2007, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski

(1) the gate at Saratoga is 14 horses.

(2) the same problem arises at any 1 1/8 circumference course that has hosted any event; Arlington, Hollywood, Aqueduct, etc. The run to the first turn is short in the Distaff. From a course perspective, there's two problems at Saratoga: 1, no way to run a dirt mile, and 2, juveniles would have to go a 1 1/8- which I don't think is a good thing- and the only time this was done in the BC was at Arlington and it didn't work out so well for the Juvy colts&geldings.

There's a problem with every course, Belmont has the quirky start for the 1 1/4 Classic; Churchill can't run a 1 1/4 turf race, Santa Anita will have problems with the Dirt Mile, etc.

So what your saying is that there is a problem with the "size" of the track? But I do remember them runnig miles on the dirt a Saratoga a few years back.. The same way they run the 1 1/4 at Belmont. That quirkey mid turn start.