|
|
 |
|
|
|
#1
07-20-2006, 08:20 PM
|
|||
|
|||
Quote:
Please re-read my post ... I didn't say that Bull Dog was as good a sire of runners as his brother, Sir Gallahad ... nor that Bull Dog was a good race horse. What I said was "for a while" he was the "most important" of Plucky Liege's offspring. That "while" being the 1940's and 1950's ... when Bull Dog's son Bull Lea was cranking out champions as though he were an assembly line. But the "assembly line" came to a screeching halt ... when all of Bull Lea's sons were failures at stud. (Oh ... but you already knew that from my previous post.) Do you understand that ... or shall I try to explain it some more? 
|
|
#2
07-20-2006, 08:40 PM
|
||||
|
||||
|
Been an interesting topic/thread to read...I agree with most that the single most influential mare in history has to be La Troienne...no other can compare. Not sure if anybody posted the link to the Reines-de-Course site so:
http://www.reines-de-course.com/ I guess one could argue the importance of Spilletta...certainly her contribution was rather important...
__________________
"Always be yourself...unless you suck!"
|
|
#3
07-20-2006, 09:04 PM
|
|||
|
|||
|
Quote:
... remember my first post on this thread ... where I said it was Mumtaz Mahal? If you're just looking at tail-female ... then La Troienne is it ... but ... ... if you're looking at overall impact on the breed ... it's Mumtaz Mahal ... "The Flying Filly" ... by two furlongs Her influence through male lines is pervasive ... through Mahmoud, Gallant Man, Nasrullah, Royal Charger, My Babu, Northern Dancer, Rahy, St. Ballado, and many more ... and a whole squadron of stakes-producing broodmares.
|
|
#4
07-20-2006, 09:10 PM
|
||||
|
||||
|
Quote:
__________________
"Always be yourself...unless you suck!"
|
|
#5
07-20-2006, 09:17 PM
|
|||
|
|||
|
Quote:
What difference does it make, top or bottom? I gotta very likely answer I believe.
|
|
#6
07-20-2006, 09:32 PM
|
|||
|
|||
|
This answer is EASY!!!
Best Broodmare of all time is my Mom....
1 son and three daughters, 3 college educations and the other about to start college and the most astonishing thing in today's world, NO ARRESTS.
|
|
#7
07-20-2006, 09:48 PM
|
|||
|
|||
|
Quote:
Im gonna go call my wife a broodmare and see what happens.
|
|
#8
07-21-2006, 08:32 AM
|
||||
|
||||
|
Quote:
Of course I always add she has great conformation....
__________________
“To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.” Thomas Jefferson
|
|
#11
07-21-2006, 07:55 AM
|
||||
|
||||
|
Quote:
US-bred Frizette was the foundation of the Boussac stud, producing 3 SWs and founding a mighty family whose members include the great sire Tourbillon, the champion sprinter Myrtlewood (ancestress of Seattle Slew and Mr. Prospector)..., well, you get the picture. You want to get technical, Mumtaz Mahal's mum Lady Josephine deserves some of the credit; she produced not only Mumtaz Mahal but Lady Juror, dam of 6 SWs including the important sire Fair Trial and the dam of even more important sire Tudor Minstrel. In curiosity I took a look at Rahy and found a plethora of important broodmares and family founders, not just Mumtaz Mahal. He has multiple crosses of Selene. Black Ray, and Plucky Liege, also Alcibiades, Pink Domino, La Grelee, Uganda, Lady Juror, Lavendula, Baton Rouge, Herodias, Mother Goose, La Troienne, Betty Derr, Exalted, Vaila, and Cinna, all of whom have had an important influence on the breed.
|
|
#12
07-21-2006, 08:18 AM
|
|||
|
|||
|
Pedigree ANN:
What the diff.? Female on the top or bottom and why? Just trying to get a feel if anyone on the thread likes genetics, not just family trees.
|
|
#13
07-21-2006, 09:50 AM
|
|||
|
|||
|
Quote:
When I said that La Troienne was "usuually on the bottom" ... I was making a joke about her position in the breeding shed ... which Blacthroatedwind got and enjoyed ... but which you apparently didn't. He and I were talking about when she was bred to Blue Larkspur ... who was "on the top" and who was "on the bottom"? Now do you get it?
|
|
#14
07-21-2006, 08:24 AM
|
||||
|
||||
|
I DID misread the post as sire, not sire of sires. However, for Bull Lea, I must plead special circumstances.
Bull Lea's sons included several high-profile runners who 'failed at stud', like Citation (although he did sire a Preakness winner and a champion, the filly Silver Spoon) but actually few of them stayed in the US. Coaltown was shipped to France for stud, Hill Gail went to Ireland and sired a classic winner, Iron Liege had subnormal fertility but sired SWs in France and Japan. Some were decent sires, like Bull Page in Canada, regional sires like Trentonian and Prophets Thumb. But looking through the list of Bull Lea's SWs I was surprised at the proportion of them that were fillies and geldings (like the great Armed). He didn't churn out the sire prospects the way Northern Dancer did; the Dancer also had his share of high-profile 'failures' (Viceregal, Lomond, Danzatore, Shareef Dancer, Secreto) but they were overshadowed by his many successes. Last edited by Pedigree Ann : 07-21-2006 at 08:28 AM.
|
|
#15
07-21-2006, 09:58 AM
|
|||
|
|||
|
Quote:
Is that because you're trying hard to do so ... or is it that you just can't read? I pointed this out in two earlier posts ... Thursday 9:10pm and 9:20pm ... and you didn't even have the graciousness to acknowledge your mistakes. Now you're taking flight again ... with more erroneous commentary on what I wrote. Are you the latter-day Flying Filly? It's time for you to show a little class ... and graciously acknowledge your mistakes ... or some people may erroneously start thinking that you're just an airhead ... and a snotty one to boot..
|
|
#16
07-21-2006, 12:09 PM
|
||||
|
||||
|
My but we are touchy. I'm not on this site continuously, you know. I've been tired, and grouchy, too, and a little brain-dead for several days. Spending a week in an overheated house in Atlanta will do that to you.
Did you not read all of MY post? And get the point? As I noted with Rahy, while Mumtaz Mahal appears in the pedigrees lots of top stallions (in fact, she may be ubiquitous by now, just like Phalaris, Plucky Liege, and Swynford, and several others of that vintage), she is by no means the only top mare to do so. You should see my pedigree geek board, where we have people who look for the rare offspring of Queen Mary (1843) or Beeswing (1833) or Alice Hawthorn (1838) in pedigrees to explain successful matings. The glee that greets the sighting of a cross of Nunnykirk (1846) or Fitz James (1875)!
|
|
#17
07-21-2006, 02:44 PM
|
|||
|
|||
|
Quote:
Hmmm ... I don't seem to see anything like that in there. Would that have been too gracious for a grouch? And speaking of touchy ... aren't you the same person who went ballistic when a novice poster used the word "sired" in connection with a mare ... instead of "produced" ... even after I already had kindly and gently corrected that person in my earlier response? Where does grouchy end ... and snotty begin? You're risking your rep on this forum with your lack of graciousness ... or don't you care?
|
Hybrid Mode
