but..it's a dog

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Riot

The dog was not wanted. It ends up at the agency. The agency tries to place it in a permanent home. Ellen (and I like her) decides the dog is too inconvenient (due to not getting along with her cats) and gives the dog away, clearly breaking her adoption contract, which says the dog has to be returned to the adoption agency.

Too bad Ellen would be embarassed to return the dog. That's what she agreed to. People adopt dogs on whims all the time. Ellen is just another one. Good for the agency for taking the dog back. That's called permanent reponsibility for the lifetime of the animal (who has now been in two homes - it's original, and Ellen's, that gave it up).

You think breeders are "better"? Not real ones. I just got a 4-year-old dog I bred back from Ontario. The people (who swore they loved him and would give him a lifetime home and paid a good amount for him as a rare and valuable pedigree-show-coursing dog with excellent conformation, who did win in the ring and in the field) didn't want him any more. It's in my contract they can't give this dog away to anyone, it must come back to me. The dog is microchipped in my name. I would gladly walk in anywhere with the police and take this dog back if they had given it away - no matter how many crying children would miss him. I refunded the full purchase price and drove to Detroit to pick him up at the former owners convenience. Oh, by the way, they neutered the dog without telling me. Glad they wanted those valuable, rare bloodlines. And these people jumped through hoops when I interviewed them multiple times before placing the dog with them.

Sometimes it just doesn't work out, and people that truely care about the dog for it's whole life take responsibility for that. I see no fault at all with the adoption agency. Ellen should pay attention to her contractual agreements. If she wanted a dog with no strings, she should have gotten a dog out of the newspaper, not from a private adoption agency.

Yes,don't get dogs from adoption agencies.Get them from breeders,and don't sign anything saying these people have any rights to this dog anymore.You will see that this is gunna result in people not wanting to take dogs from these agencies anymore.Buyers don't need this ****.I have seen some of these adult MINPINS that need homes,and I have the set up to give them happy homes,and was gunna maybe get another one in December.Now,I will not go on those sites anymore.I will buy a pup from a breeder,and it will be because this bitch took this dog away from a couple human beings who loved him.That is just not cool.That is not the way to deal with it.It's overkill.Find some middle ground,and start thinking about humans a lil more.

[Riot]

Yes,don't get dogs from adoption agencies.Get them from breeders,and don't sign anything saying these people have any rights to this dog anymore.You will see that this is gunna result in people not wanting to take dogs from these agencies anymore.Buyers don't need this ****.I have seen some of these adult MINPINS that need homes,and I have the set up to give them happy homes,and was gunna maybe get another one in December.Now,I will not go on those sites anymore.I will buy a pup from a breeder,and it will be because this bitch took this dog away from a couple human beings who loved him.That is just not cool.That is not the way to deal with it.It's overkill.Find some middle ground,and start thinking about humans a lil more.

We do think mainly of the humans. That's the problem. Overkill is what we do to excess dogs that are inconvenient to humans. It's a uniquely American attitude of disposability - they buy it, they toss it when it's no longer wanted.

That's why those agencies, with all the contracts, have come to exist in the first place. Adoptive homes ending up being worse homes than where the dog came from. Try to adopt an ex-racing greyhound from some groups - some have contracts that say you can't ever let the dog off leash (for example, in a dog park). Some are the "permanent owner" of the dog.

Every breeder I know has a contract that says the dog comes back to them if it's ever not wanted. Not every breeder that exists, certainly. Anyone who watches their dogs have sex calls themselves a "breeder", and the term means little to nothing, as obviously, it depends upon the person behind the term.

Those that want a dog without being beholden to anyone else about what happens to that dog during it's life have a multitude of places to obtain one from. It won't make any dent in the more controlling agencies, in my view.
Some folks obviously would be better off with stuffed toys rather than living animals.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Well,I have this American Eskimo Mix of some sort.I took him in,because quite honestly I am already tied down with other dogs. I didn't like want this dog.I took him in because he needed to be taken in.So,this situation is a lil like that situation.Somebody got a dog they probably shouldn't have(but the dog would most likely be dead if they hadn't got him from wherever they got him..pound probably.) They found somebody who could take him in,and actually this lady came by and visited him a couple weeks ago.I don't want somebody coming to my house to check up on this dog.He is my responsibility now,but I don't need somebody over here like that.I don't agree with taking dogs away from people who are providing a good home for a dog.Fine ELLEN and her Woman for this,but don't take the dog away from a new home.I don't particularly like the dog much,but he is happy here. I fully expect he will live his life out with me,and he is a more consistent watchdog than the Minpins are(they are under their covers a lot.)

[Mortimer]

Somehow Eskeemos are always drawn into the subject.....eventually.

[Payson Dave]

Now how in hell did we end up back on the subject of the distinguished Florida member's snozzola... the twist an turns these threads take are simply amazin...

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by Payson Dave

Now how in hell did we end up back on the subject of the distinguished Florida member's snozzola... the twist an turns these threads take are simply amazin...

!OOOOOOOOOO!




But I still think it's silicone inspred.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Payson Dave

Now how in hell did we end up back on the subject of the distinguished Florida member's snozzola... the twist an turns these threads take are simply amazin...

It's definitely not my best feature, but we're given what we're given.



































































Morty, please send me a check for 5k and I will fix my snozzola.

[Mortimer]

A-HAHAHAHA



Send me a check for 5k and I'LL fix it and give you change .