George Washington coming now?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

LOL. I suppose that you are right about the first part and could very well be right about the second part. But even if he is, what have they lost? Last year, he was up the track too. But he was far ahead of such horses as Lava Man, Lawyer Ron, Perfect Drift, Sun King, Suave and Flower Alley.

Where would he have to finish, in your opinion, to justify having made this attempt? IMO, a 5-6 in the Classic would be better than a 2-3 in the Mile and a top four in the Classic would trump a Mile win as far as accomplishing what they want to accomplish with him.

How is finishing 5th or 6th in any race a positive? You think finishing 4th in the classic would be better than winning the mile? I dont understand the logic?

[King Glorious]

They are sending over the possible favorite for the Mile in Excellent Art. That's probably a big factor in the decision. The second is that they have made it no secret that they would love to have a Danehill runner that has some success on the dirt. Why do you think they brought Dylan Thomas over for the JCGC last year? What do you think they ran Oratorio in the Classic a couple of years ago? Both of those runners would have had very good chances in the grass races but instead, they were run on dirt. The Coolmore operation looks at the bigger picture instead of just trying to win a trophy. They aren't in the racing for the purse of winning the Mile. They are going to try again with him in the shed and even if he didn't win, imagine if he finished in front of Street Sense or Curlin and it could be mentioned on his resume that he was not only one of the top grass milers in the world but also versatile enough to beat out an American classic winner on the dirt? Sometimes, there are bigger pictures than just trying to find the best spot to win.

[blackthroatedwind]

You seem to be confused......George Washington already failed in the shed.

Perhaps you are suggesting a win in the Classic will give him the confidence he needs with the ladies?

By the way, while you are certainly entitled to think every member of the Classic field has holes, as all horses do, to suggest that ALL members of the field will show their supposed weaknesses in this one race is near impossible.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

You seem to be confused......George Washington already failed in the shed.

Perhaps you are suggesting a win in the Classic will give him the confidence he needs with the ladies?

By the way, while you are certainly entitled to think every member of the Classic field has holes, as all horses do, to suggest that ALL members of the field will show their supposed weaknesses in this one race is near impossible.

I'm not suggesting that they all would. But out of those six, it's conceivable that any combination of one or more could. I remember last year going through this same conversation and if anyone would have posted that GW would end up finishing ahead of Lava Man, Sun King, Perfect Drift and Lawyer Ron then, I imagine that the response would have been pretty much the same as it is now.

What I am still asking of anyone is what they have to lose by trying it? I think several questions should be asked.

1-What would be gained by winning the Mile?
2-What would be lost by losing the Mile?
3-What would be gained by winning the Classic?
4-What would be lost by losing the Classic?

IMO, the answers are:
1-nothing
2-stature
3-stature (and it wouldn't even take a win)
4-nothing

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

I'm not suggesting that they all would. But out of those six, it's conceivable that any combination of one or more could. I remember last year going through this same conversation and if anyone would have posted that GW would end up finishing ahead of Lava Man, Sun King, Perfect Drift and Lawyer Ron then, I imagine that the response would have been pretty much the same as it is now.

What I am still asking of anyone is what they have to lose by trying it? I think several questions should be asked.

1-What would be gained by winning the Mile?
2-What would be lost by losing the Mile?
3-What would be gained by winning the Classic?
4-What would be lost by losing the Classic?

IMO, the answers are:
1-nothing
2-stature
3-stature (and it wouldn't even take a win)
4-nothing

So winning the BC mile means nothing? GW has done SO much that winning the BC mile is no big deal? The truth is that he probably cant win either race based upon his form this year and the dirt is a built in excuse.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

So winning the BC mile means nothing? GW has done SO much that winning the BC mile is no big deal? The truth is that he probably cant win either race based upon his form this year and the dirt is a built in excuse.

I think for a horse like GW who's already won a 2000 Guineas and the QE II, winning the Mile wouldn't be that important. I think it's far more important for a horse like Excellent Art to win it because he doesn't have that career defining world class win on his record.

Of course winning the Mile would be a big deal but I don't think it would be a bigger deal to them than the possibility of standing a Danehill that was able to have some dirt success and in this case, I don't think that success has to necessarily come in a win. A good showing, possibly beating some of America's best dirt horses, would go a long way.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

I think for a horse like GW who's already won a 2000 Guineas and the QE II, winning the Mile wouldn't be that important. I think it's far more important for a horse like Excellent Art to win it because he doesn't have that career defining world class win on his record.

Of course winning the Mile would be a big deal but I don't think it would be a bigger deal to them than the possibility of standing a Danehill that was able to have some dirt success and in this case, I don't think that success has to necessarily come in a win. A good showing, possibly beating some of America's best dirt horses, would go a long way.

The fact that they have the other horse in the mile seems to be the only logical reason to run him in the classic.\

I have yet to see a horse who didn't win or finish a close second like G Causeway get any stallion value out of the race. Finishing a distant 4th and beating SS or Curlin will just be considered a fluke anyway. I guess he needs a miracle to revive his stud career anyway.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

They are sending over the possible favorite for the Mile in Excellent Art. That's probably a big factor in the decision. The second is that they have made it no secret that they would love to have a Danehill runner that has some success on the dirt. Why do you think they brought Dylan Thomas over for the JCGC last year? What do you think they ran Oratorio in the Classic a couple of years ago? Both of those runners would have had very good chances in the grass races but instead, they were run on dirt. The Coolmore operation looks at the bigger picture instead of just trying to win a trophy. They aren't in the racing for the purse of winning the Mile. They are going to try again with him in the shed and even if he didn't win, imagine if he finished in front of Street Sense or Curlin and it could be mentioned on his resume that he was not only one of the top grass milers in the world but also versatile enough to beat out an American classic winner on the dirt? Sometimes, there are bigger pictures than just trying to find the best spot to win.

I'm guessing that finishing ahead of SS or Curlin while finishing 5th will not be an incentive for anyone to breed to him especially with his problems. He is still by Danehill who has had so little dirt success that any son of his will always be looked at with questions until the horse in question proves otherwise.