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07-20-2006, 06:52 AM
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Can the bolded statement be any further from the truth? You mean those "free democracies" in the Phillipines, Iran, Iraq, South Viet Nam, ETC, ETC, ETC that the US implemented as pupits during the 20th century? You mean those leaders that the US installed that were known as Marcos, the shah, Saddam and Diem? Those "free democracies" that were "defeating" brutal murderous tryrannies? LOL 
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07-20-2006, 01:01 PM
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Your knowledge of history seems to be limited ... so I'll provide a list of places where the United States defeated tyranny and brought about freedom and democracy. • We defeated the murderous, genocidal National Socialists ... and helped Germany and Austria become free democracies. In doing so ... we liberated the peoples of France, Belgium, Luxembourg, The Netherlands, Yugoslavia, and Norway from the brutal National Socialist regime. • We defeated the murderous Socialist Workers Movement ... and helped Italy to become a free democracy. • We defeated the murderous, genocidal Shinto Imperialists ... and helped Japan become a free democracy. In doing so ... we liberated China, Korea, The Phillipines, Burma, Thailand, and Indonesia from their brutal rule. • We defeated mass-murdering Soviet Communism ... and in doing so liberated Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Georgia, Armenia, and Azerbaijan from its brutal rule ... and also liberated Poland, Czechoslovakia, Romania, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Moldova, Bulgaria, and Hungary ... most of which are now free democracies. • We supported those who fought totalitarian communism in Spain, South Korea, Taiwan, Nicarague, El Salvador, Chile, Grenada, Cambodia, and The Phillipines ... all of which are now free democracies. • We supported democratic movements in South Africa, Haiti, and Rhodesia ... all of which became free democracies ... though the latter two have slid backwards since. • We defeated the murderous, totalitarian Baathist rule in Iraq ... and helped establish a free democracy. • We supported those who fought totalitarian communism in North Korea, Vietnam, Laos, and Angola ... which so far have been unsuccessful in establishing free democracies. • At no point have we used our military superiority to conquer and subjugate anyone. All of the above was achieved in less than 65 years ... a virtual blink of an eye in historic terms. I'd say it adds up to quite a splendid set of achievements in promoting freedom and democaracy. Are you aware of any other country ... now or at any time in the past ... which has done more to promote and establish freedom? If so ... please provide the details.
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07-20-2006, 01:18 PM
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[quote=Bold Brooklynite]Unfortunately for you ... everyone else knows that when you resort to name-calling and personal attacks ... you're admitting that you've lost the argument.
Your knowledge of history seems to be limited ... so I'll provide a list of places where the United States defeated tyranny and brought about freedom and democracy. We defeated the murderous, genocidal National Socialists ... and helped Germany and Austria become free democracies. In doing so ... we liberated the peoples of France, Belgium, Luxembourg, The Netherlands, Yugoslavia, and Norway from the brutal National Socialist regime. We defeated the murderous Socialist Workers Movement ... and helped Italy to become a free democracy. We defeated the murderous, genocidal Shinto Imperialists ... and helped Japan become a free democracy. In doing so ... we liberated China, Korea, The Phillipines, Burma, Thailand, and Indonesia from their brutal rule. We defeated mass-murdering Soviet Communism ... and in doing so liberated Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Georgia, Armenia, and Azerbaijan from its brutal rule ... and also liberated Poland, Czechoslovakia, Romania, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Moldova, Bulgaria, and Hungary ... most of which are now free democracies. We supported those who fought totalitarian communism in Spain, South Korea, Taiwan, Nicarague, El Salvador, Chile, Grenada, Cambodia, and The Phillipines ... all of which are now free democracies. We supported democratic movements in South Africa, Haiti, and Rhodesia ... all of which became free democracies ... though the latter two have slid backwards since. We defeated the murderous, totalitarian Baathist rule in Iraq ... and helped establish a free democracy. We supported those who fought totalitarian communism in North Korea, Vietnam, Laos, and Angola ... which so far have been unsuccessful in establishing free democracies. At no point have we used our military superiority to conquer and subjugate anyone. boy's got some wicked cut-n-paste skiils, that I'll give him.
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#4
07-20-2006, 01:31 PM
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I'm still trying to figure out the "free democracy" in Iraq. My guess is that the site he pasted from doesn't include "civil war" in their double-speak. Also, notice no mention of Cambodia. Thank you Tricky D ick.
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07-20-2006, 02:01 PM
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__________________
"Always be yourself...unless you suck!"
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#6
07-20-2006, 02:16 PM
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I was responding to the "democracies" that were set up by the USA. Pol Pot was only one that was needlessly created. The list would indeed be very long if I went back to Dulles and the United Fruit Company in Central America, not including Panama more recently. In Africa, BB is correct. Again the failures are cited. In the Asia, wow! Marcos and Aquino anyone? How about Indonesia? The CIA's overthrow of Allende in Chile, (South America). Holy cow! Is there a question as to why the USA is held suspect by so many on this planet? The credibility gets thinner and thinner despite the right-wing propagandist's claims. Spin, spin, spin...just like the planet. Only difference is one is based on physical reality, the other is based on an artificial one.
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07-20-2006, 02:41 PM
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I'm sure you noticed that Cambodia clearly appears in my fifth bullet point ... but someone who is filled with hate and rage is much less likely to see what's there. And isn't it interesting ... that I mentioned 44 countries whose freedom has been greatly enhanced by the United States ... and that poster can only resort to spouting falsehoods about two of them ... while completely ignoring the other 42? And thanks for your service ... it's a shame we weren't able to rescue the Cambodian people the way we rescued billions of others. But happily ... Cambodia has made major strides toward freedom since the murderous communists were ousted ... and is now considered to be "Mostly Free" in the latest Wall Street Journal evaluation. Last edited by Bold Brooklynite : 07-20-2006 at 02:45 PM.
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07-20-2006, 02:51 PM
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07-20-2006, 03:09 PM
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The US created the instability in Cambodia. You really do need to read your history books. As for the Phillipines, the US installed Marcos and supported him for close to 30 years. That was the most corrupt and tyrranical eras in phillipino history. Where do you get your info?
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07-20-2006, 03:06 PM
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Yes, the "balance of the universe" and the "fight against evil".
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07-20-2006, 03:12 PM
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It seems you've chosen to skip over it ... and not respond to it. That's fine ... it implies that you're in agreement with its contents ... and I applaud your judgment.
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