Barclay Tagg's comments on NoBiz

pweizer · #1 10-09-2007, 08:50 PM

Does anyone remember who won the Eclipse award last year? It was an unheralded longshot in the MIle named Miesque's Approval. If Nobiz were to win the race and some crazy longshot won the Turf, he absolutely could be named champion. Tagg did the same thing last year with Showing Up. Just baffling.

Paul

NTamm1215 · #2 10-09-2007, 09:08 PM

While I won't attempt to decipher what exactly Barclay Tagg said or meant because deciphering "trainerspeak" is more difficult than reading Nietzsche, I think the assumptions that Tagg is skipping the Mile because he is afraid of the competition he may face are a tad faulty.

Nobiz beat the hell out of a good group of horses on Saturday, specifically Red Giant who had enjoyed a PERFECT trip. He rolled by RG, and showed a terrific new dimension, which was to rate well off the pace and finish strongly.

Maybe I'm alone in thinking that the Jamaica was a far, far better performance than we had ever seen from Nobiz. That being said, I'm not Barclay Tagg and am also not privy to his thoughts, so I don't know why he's not running in the Mile.

NT

Danzig · #3 10-09-2007, 09:19 PM

to say however that one is skipping a race because if the horse wins he won't get recognition imo is bullshit. i can think of about a million bucks worth of recognition he'd get. so, it's something else. so, what would that be? probably the same thing that drives many to avoid the top fields, fear of losing. or realizing that altho his horse might win a turf race, that in no way translates to winning a mile race on turf, or a 12f on turf, which isn't fear of losing, but recognizing that the chances of a win are somewhere between slim and no.

hoovesupsideyourhead · #4 10-09-2007, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by pweizer

Does anyone remember who won the Eclipse award last year? It was an unheralded longshot in the MIle named Miesque's Approval. If Nobiz were to win the race and some crazy longshot won the Turf, he absolutely could be named champion. Tagg did the same thing last year with Showing Up. Just baffling.

Paul

no way he should have been that long a shot...

and the horse was a great story ...

Rileyoriley · #5 10-09-2007, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

no way he should have been that long a shot...

and the horse was a great story ...

And a great payoff!

SniperSB23 · #6 10-09-2007, 10:11 PM

I think Miesque's Approval had a better resume going into the BC than Nobiz does. Nobiz should have to win the BC Mile and the Hollywood Derby to get serious consideration.

hoovesupsideyourhead · #7 10-09-2007, 10:15 PM

i think hes smart not to run..the euros will most likely bring a ringer..and english channel loves mon.. though i will try to beatem at the windows.e.c

blackthroatedwind · #8 10-10-2007, 11:46 AM

It's easy to see the appeal of the BC Mile considering both the weak field and NoBiz's terrific performance this weekend, however Tagg is pretty conservative, and considering his success level it seems more than unfair to suggest that any of us know better than he. From a fan's standpoint obviously we wish NoBiz was in the mile but I will defer to the judgement of someone who clearly knows better than any of us.

Running him in the Classic makes little to no sense. He's already proven to be vastly inferior to the competition he would face in that race. Perhaps next year if the handicap division is weak Tagg could conceivably take a shot on the dirt again during the year but my guess is once he races a horse successfully on the grass he is loathe to switch surfaces. Unlike Showing Up, who had feet issues which kept him on the grass, NoBiz could at least physically make the switch. Perhaps Chuck can answer this but it is my understanding that trainers usually don't like moving from one surface to another especially after establishing success on one.

As far as a Grade 1 on the turf increasing his value, well he already has a Grade 1 on the dirt, so I suppose this is possible, but I'm sure he will have ample opportunity to do so in the future without this year's BC Mile. Not only is the Hollywood Derby a Grade 1 but next year may look like a Grade 1 tree of ripe fruits if it's anything like 2007.

Indian Charlie · #9 10-10-2007, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

It's easy to see the appeal of the BC Mile considering both the weak field and NoBiz's terrific performance this weekend, however Tagg is pretty conservative, and considering his success level it seems more than unfair to suggest that any of us know better than he. From a fan's standpoint obviously we wish NoBiz was in the mile but I will defer to the judgement of someone who clearly knows better than any of us.

Running him in the Classic makes little to no sense. He's already proven to be vastly inferior to the competition he would face in that race. Perhaps next year if the handicap division is weak Tagg could conceivably take a shot on the dirt again during the year but my guess is once he races a horse successfully on the grass he is loathe to switch surfaces. Unlike Showing Up, who had feet issues which kept him on the grass, NoBiz could at least physically make the switch. Perhaps Chuck can answer this but it is my understanding that trainers usually don't like moving from one surface to another especially after establishing success on one.

As far as a Grade 1 on the turf increasing his value, well he already has a Grade 1 on the dirt, so I suppose this is possible, but I'm sure he will have ample opportunity to do so in the future without this year's BC Mile. Not only is the Hollywood Derby a Grade 1 but next year may look like a Grade 1 tree of ripe fruits if it's anything like 2007.

hey andy, while you are doing that video with drugS, ask him what he thinks about putting slobiz back on the dirt. he'll give you a 2 hour earful why he thinks that he'll be a star when he's moved back to dirt! Seriously!

blackthroatedwind · #10 10-10-2007, 12:24 PM

I intend to not give DrugS a lot of rope to hang himself.

King Glorious · #11 10-17-2007, 11:20 AM

For all of those that said we should defer to Tagg's expertise and that he would skip the BC because the Hollywood Derby was a better spot for his horse, yadda yadda, guess who's entered in the BC Mile? Now, I know that some will say that it probably wasn't his call and the owner wanted it. Could be true. But then who would get the credit if Nobiz happens to win the race? Tagg or the owner?

hockey2315 · #12 10-17-2007, 11:22 AM

What's your point? Maybe the horse came out of his last race in good order and seems set to move up. . .

Kasept · #13 10-17-2007, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

For all of those that said we should defer to Tagg's expertise and that he would skip the BC because the Hollywood Derby was a better spot for his horse, yadda yadda, guess who's entered in the BC Mile? Now, I know that some will say that it probably wasn't his call and the owner wanted it. Could be true. But then who would get the credit if Nobiz happens to win the race? Tagg or the owner?

There's something wrong with him having the option of going in the Mile or the HOL Derby? And if the horse were to win the Mile, Mrs. Valando will have not had much to do with his preparation. If she wanted to go, and Barclay didn't, he'll still do everything possible to get him ready for the best performance possible.

ArlJim78 · #14 10-17-2007, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

For all of those that said we should defer to Tagg's expertise and that he would skip the BC because the Hollywood Derby was a better spot for his horse, yadda yadda, guess who's entered in the BC Mile? Now, I know that some will say that it probably wasn't his call and the owner wanted it. Could be true. But then who would get the credit if Nobiz happens to win the race? Tagg or the owner?

isn't it possible to defer to Taggs expertise if he instead goes to the BC? deferring to his expertise means just that, whichever way he goes.

Cannon Shell · #15 10-17-2007, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

For all of those that said we should defer to Tagg's expertise and that he would skip the BC because the Hollywood Derby was a better spot for his horse, yadda yadda, guess who's entered in the BC Mile? Now, I know that some will say that it probably wasn't his call and the owner wanted it. Could be true. But then who would get the credit if Nobiz happens to win the race? Tagg or the owner?

I would say that Tagg is much more interested in trying to win a race and make money than worry about who gets the credit.

#16 10-17-2007, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

For all of those that said we should defer to Tagg's expertise and that he would skip the BC because the Hollywood Derby was a better spot for his horse, yadda yadda, guess who's entered in the BC Mile? Now, I know that some will say that it probably wasn't his call and the owner wanted it. Could be true. But then who would get the credit if Nobiz happens to win the race? Tagg or the owner?

He isn't running in the BC Mile. He is just pre-entered. A horse like Obrien's walks faster than Nobiz runs. If you are lucky Nobiz will show up in the BC Mile and you will finally see just how slow he is when he runs against a real grade 1 caliber miler on the turf. Excellent Art would eat him for lunch. Even horses like Kip Deville would laugh at him. He isn't even the fastest miler in his own barn and his barn isn't George Washington and Excellent Art but Showing Up and Nobiz. Showing Up could hold his own if healthy but Nobiz would be lucky to finish within 7 or 8 of the winner.

This was a sporting thing of Tagg to do but I doubt he ever really even considered it.

KY_Sasquash · #17 10-10-2007, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Running him in the Classic makes little to no sense. He's already proven to be vastly inferior to the competition he would face in that race. Perhaps next year if the handicap division is weak Tagg could conceivably take a shot on the dirt again during the year but my guess is once he races a horse successfully on the grass he is loathe to switch surfaces. Unlike Showing Up, who had feet issues which kept him on the grass, NoBiz could at least physically make the switch. Perhaps Chuck can answer this but it is my understanding that trainers usually don't like moving from one surface to another especially after establishing success on one.

Im not saying that he'd be the favorite, but at 20-1 (probably longer on race day) I think he'd have a great shot to hit he board; dont know if he could win, but I'd sure like to see him try. The only bad race that he ran in the spring was in the Derby, which can be excused and he was beaten 4 lengths by Any Given Saturday in the Dwyer. His bloodlines suggest that he's finally maturing and maybe he was too immature in the spring to keep up with the other 3yos(certainly ran that way). Now the tight turns at Monmouth might be to his liking, but I think he'd only have to worry about Street Sense, Lawyer Ron, Curlin, who probably wont like the tight turns too, and Any Given Saturday, who's last race wasnt the most impressive so I dont think its that unrealistic of a spot for him.

blackthroatedwind · #18 10-10-2007, 03:49 PM

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but I think he'd only have to worry about Street Sense, Lawyer Ron, Curlin, who probably wont like the tight turns too, and Any Given Saturday.

That's it?

SniperSB23 · #19 10-10-2007, 04:01 PM

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That's it?

When you consider 4th place is $250,000 and 5th is still over $100,000 it doesn't sound so daunting.

blackthroatedwind · #20 10-10-2007, 04:12 PM

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When you consider 4th place is $250,000 and 5th is still over $100,000 it doesn't sound so daunting.

His owner is worth a zillion dollars. Running him in a tough race like that and hoping for scaps makes no sense whatsoever.

The horse has had a full campaign this year. He should run where he belongs.