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10-09-2007, 07:17 AM
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All ambitions are lawful except those which climb upward on the miseries or credulities of mankind. ~ Joseph Conrad A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right. ~ Thomas Paine Don't let anyone tell you that your dreams can't come true. They are only afraid that theirs won't and yours will. ~ Robert Evans The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. ~ George Orwell, 1984. 
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10-09-2007, 03:17 PM
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7 mil/year ???? A ten year old could manage that bunch well enough to get into the playoffs.Maybe George paid him that because he is telling guys making 20 mil/year what to do.I guess it's a lil odd to make 2 million a year,and tell 20 mil/year guys what to do.
He has done a good job with managing all the huge egos there.I have no clue whatsoever why the owner thinks the teams unacceptable results are due to Torres managing.Let me give you a specific example of a manager(Grady Lil') who should be fired. Pitcher (DERRICK LOWE) goes from pitching great to pitching awful.No rhyme or reason.There is no doubt in my mind that somebody else can get a lot better milk from this cow.Although PENNY doesn't quit as badly,he has the stuff to be a 20 game winner.These 2 have talent,and there is no doubt in my mind that they would be doing much better for other managers and pitching coaches(HONEYCUTT is not a pitching coach.) Is a dog who stepped in paint called an artist? If so,then I guess you could call Honeycutt a pitching coach.There is talent here that is wasted,because it is managed improperly.Then you have the case of Jonathon Broxton.Now,if you think a guy like that(with that much talent) can't be better managed,then you are simply on dope.The guy can throw 98-100 mph,but throws 3 straight breaking balls(and hangs the 3rd one badly.) I mean,when a guy can throw that hard? Has an 0-2 count on a guy,why throw a hanging breaking ball(wrong in every way) right over the plate? UH....gee how much communication do you think is going on between pitcher and management??? DUHH...His arm is either dead,or the stuff between his ears is dead(one of the 2.) He is not throwing his fastball.His breaking ball is supposed to be there to complement his fastball.He can't control his breaking ball well enough to use it 3 straight times.Who is managing this? Nobody is...........O.K.,NOW ON THE OTHER HAND,you have Joe TORRE being blamed for pitchers(like Wang) who can't handle pitching in the post.It's not like he is inconsistent in the post.He can't pitch in the post.The pitching is simply not there.If you gave TORRE Lowe,Penny,and Broxton,I think the Yanks would be just fine right now. Last edited by SCUDSBROTHER : 10-09-2007 at 07:24 PM.
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10-09-2007, 06:45 PM
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agree - yanks won with pitching in the late 90's - key , pettite , cone , clemens , wells, el duque - vs wang, pettite , clemenes on 1 leg , mussina , hughes (pitched well) - all in all when you look at that even the 27 yankees would have a hard time winnig with this pitching the guy on the hot seat s/b cashman - kevin brown, pavano, igawa, irabu , farnsworth .... some of these moves have just been plain awful -
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