NY Times article about Vick's pit bulls

Cajungator26 · #1 10-07-2007, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

i'd imagine there are more vicious attacks with injuries or deaths with pit bulls than any other breed, by far. it's bred into them. that was the whole point of that breed when they first sought those traits, and it can be a latent trait in any of those dogs. i don't understand why anyone would take a chance and have one, not when there are so many other dogs out there without that 'ticking time bomb' worry. i know why some choose to do so, gangsta mentality, or for fighting, and some do so because they are macho. then there are those that have that feeling that they are special, can have some kind of connection with animals that others can't (the black stallion syndrome??) and then they find that's not true. sadly, others pay the price to show it's not true.

Have to correct something here, Deb...

Fighting was bred into them, but aggression towards their human handlers was not. In fact, they are highly loyal and normally very good with children when raised from a young age. Pits are naturally not friendly with other small animals though, and it's normally a risk if you incorporate them into your home when you have another dog or cat sometimes even when you raise them as young puppies. I had a pit bull before and while he was not aggressive, he was what was called 'fear aggressive' (a lot of pits are.) When they feel cornered, they lash out. A lot of research says that something snaps on in a pit bull at around the age of 1 1/2 or 2 with other animals and that this poses a problem because the majority of people who own them as pets (by then) think they're in the clear to have them around other animals.

My newest dog Charlotte is starting to look like a lab/pit mix instead of the lab/hound mix they thought she was at the pound, but she has been fine so far in regards to aggression. (Even when cornered.)

#2 10-07-2007, 09:37 AM

The dogs are dangerous.
I will not be in line to adopt one of Vick's 49 love puppies.
The breed is dangerous. The have heads like Jaguars.
They go off on you or someone else... huge lawsuit.

And they mangle someone.... Can you imagine a dog you
own mangle a kid? It happens in this city, its seems like
every other week. About 60% of the dogs in the pound here
are pit bulls.

So my family opted for a 14 pound sausage-link mut that licks every human
face it sees. Not a cute animal... but we have never had a dog this nice
to everything it sees.

Damn thing sleeps with me every night though. Curls up right next to my
now ample belly.

Danzig · #3 10-07-2007, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Have to correct something here, Deb...

Fighting was bred into them, but aggression towards their human handlers was not. In fact, they are highly loyal and normally very good with children when raised from a young age. Pits are naturally not friendly with other small animals though, and it's normally a risk if you incorporate them into your home when you have another dog or cat sometimes even when you raise them as young puppies. I had a pit bull before and while he was not aggressive, he was what was called 'fear aggressive' (a lot of pits are.) When they feel cornered, they lash out. A lot of research says that something snaps on in a pit bull at around the age of 1 1/2 or 2 with other animals and that this poses a problem because the majority of people who own them as pets (by then) think they're in the clear to have them around other animals.

My newest dog Charlotte is starting to look like a lab/pit mix instead of the lab/hound mix they thought she was at the pound, but she has been fine so far in regards to aggression. (Even when cornered.)

they are bred to be aggressive and to be a killer. i doubt that breeding could teach a dog to differentiate between a dog and a human, they're both just targets for his aggression and killing instincts.
my dog doesn't treat me as a human, but as the alpha female of the pack. she exhibits every behavior of a dog who knows she's further down in the pecking order to me every day, when i come home, when i'm eating, etc. i'd imagine a pit is the same way, until deciding it is the alpha male/female. problem is, unlike many dogs, when a pit goes alpha, there's no stopping it. dogs don't think, they don't point at a human and say not a target, and then at the neighbors dog and say yep, target. so you got lucky with a pit, there are plenty of people who can't say the same.

Mortimer · #4 10-07-2007, 09:57 AM

WUFF...WUFF!!!!

BARK!

#5 10-07-2007, 10:20 AM

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WUFF...WUFF!!!!

BARK!

Aww hell to the naw...

dog.

Mortimer · #6 10-07-2007, 11:37 AM

Oh geez.

Shame-shame.

Aks Dannie if she's short and stocky...please.

Mortimer · #7 10-07-2007, 01:51 PM

Dannie..are you going to take this from the Cajunatah?

She's also drawing funny pictures of you and sending them to board members.

Cajungator26 · #8 10-07-2007, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Mortimer

Dannie..are you going to take this from the Cajunatah?

She's also drawing funny pictures of you and sending them to board members.

I can't draw.

And sorry... did not mean to come across as a big ole B, but hate the bad rap that most pits get when the majority of them (when raised right) can make great pets.

Mortimer · #9 10-07-2007, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26

I can't draw.

And sorry... did not mean to come across as a big ole B, but hate the bad rap that most pits get when the majority of them (when raised right) can make great pets.

Oh I know....I was just trying to stir up trouble since the Browns can't.

And you're right...those funny pictures of Dannie you sent clearly show a lack of skill.

megahertz · #10 10-07-2007, 09:01 PM

Cajungator is right. A well bred Pit who is socialized properly and owned by a responsible person (this being most important) is not a danger to any human. One of the main quailties of a Pit is its great love of people. They never meet a stranger. My Pit lives with a Basset, a Aussie, 9 cats and 6 horses and she loves everybody. My sister has a poodle that is always attacting my Pit. I have seen Powder with this poodles entire head in her mouth but she never left a mark on her. Just stood there holding her till my sister got her dog. Powder plays with a 10lb dustmop on legs named Teddy who likes to run under Powder between her front legs and grab her by the throat. Powder just drags him along. Yes I have to watch when she plays with something smaller than herself. She is 65 lbs of enthusiasm in a very strong body who will knock you down and lick you to death.
Do not judge the breed by the Vicks of the world.
Powder wanted me to pass this message along
NO MATTER WHAT YOU SAY
I STILL LOVE YOU
10/20/07 National Pit Bull Awareness Day

Mortimer · #11 10-07-2007, 09:22 PM

Get lost man.

Mortimer · #12 10-08-2007, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26

I can't draw.

And sorry... did not mean to come across as a big ole B, but hate the bad rap that most pits get when the majority of them (when raised right) can make great pets.

Dannie just got snotty with you.

You gonna take that from her?

Cajungator26 · #13 10-08-2007, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Mortimer

Dannie just got snotty with you.

You gonna take that from her?

She's entitled to her opinion... even if it's only based upon stories she's read about. ANY breed of dog can do what she described.

#14 10-08-2007, 09:09 AM

Dannie 1 Cajun 0

Mortimer · #15 10-08-2007, 09:09 AM

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She's entitled to her opinion... even if it's only based upon stories she's read about. ANY breed of dog can do what she described.

You are sooooo right.

Dannie should loosen the old tummy tucker and get real here.

Gee..that was harsh.

I take it back...but she should certainly check her facts before she talks about things she doesn't know anything about.

E-U....that was harsh as well.

I'll let you handle it.

Danzig · #16 10-08-2007, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Mortimer

Dannie just got snotty with you.

You gonna take that from her?

as an aside, cajun and i have chatted on here and elsewhere for years quite amicably. even when we disagree.
not quite sure what your posts on here are trying to accomplish.

Mortimer · #17 10-08-2007, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

as an aside, cajun and i have chatted on here and elsewhere for years quite amicably. even when we disagree.
not quite sure what your posts on here are trying to accomplish.

Well you don't have to be snotty about it.

If I bother you just say so.

Brother.

Cajungator26 · #18 10-08-2007, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

as an aside, cajun and i have chatted on here and elsewhere for years quite amicably. even when we disagree.
not quite sure what your posts on here are trying to accomplish.

Yep, and no hard feelings on my end. I agree with most of what you're saying, just not with the "they're bred to be killers" part. They had to be controlled by their handlers in the ring while 'pit fighting' so they weren't originally bred to be human killers. I agree that current breeding practice has been detrimental to the breed and can see why you might feel the way you do. People like Michael Vick are the downfall to this once respected breed and it makes me sad. BUT, with that said, I'll never own another pit only because of the insurance problems that come along with owning a 'dangerous breed.'

Kinda off topic, but I read about this yesterday and might get my 'pound puppy' lab mutt tested to see what else she's mixed with. I am starting to think pit because of her ears, but it's hard to tell.

http://www.whatsmydog.com/

http://www.metamorphixinc.com/