Biancone: 1 year suspension

whodey17 · #1 10-05-2007, 03:50 PM

The vet got 5 years. I know the 1 year is standard, but I think the committee could move away from the standard penalty. What is the point in the 1 year suspension. I say give the person who violates the rul with a 5 year ban. We are the only country who puts up this crap in our sport.

geeker2 · #2 10-05-2007, 04:12 PM

So how does it work..he can serve it when he wants? so he gets to run in the BC? what a joke....

Riot · #3 10-05-2007, 04:49 PM

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So how does it work..he can serve it when he wants? so he gets to run in the BC? what a joke....

No. Steve posted the links so you can read them.

geeker2 · #4 10-05-2007, 05:07 PM

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No. Steve posted the links so you can read them.

Don't be fooled...as soon as he appeals the decision..he will be golden till well after the BC.....

Unstable · #5 10-05-2007, 05:56 PM

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Don't be fooled...as soon as he appeals the decision..he will be golden till well after the BC.....

According to the article in the DRF, "An appeal will likely delay the onset of the decision until at least after the Breeders' Cup on Oct. 26 and Oct. 27 at Monmouth Park. If the suspension is upheld, Biancone will not be able to "financially benefit" from his stable while suspended, under new state regulations passed earlier this year in Kentucky." I'll have to read the other articles and the decision, but this makes me wonder whether he gets to collect any BC winnings if the suspension is upheld.

I don't think he should have been able to serve all his suspensions concurrently. He also received another 1-year suspension and a 90-day suspension. Even though his suspensions arise from the same restricted conduct, I think that should he should have been ordered to serve all his suspensions consecutively.

pointman · #6 10-05-2007, 06:01 PM

What a disgrace. And we wonder why drugs are a problem in horse racing.

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Riot · #8 10-05-2007, 06:35 PM

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I don't think he should have been able to serve all his suspensions concurrently.

Having vaccinations for the barn cats and horses, and unlabeled vials and bottles of routine horse meds doesn't bother me that much (the last is unfortunately very common). There is some interesting other stuff there.

But it doesn't hold a candle to trying to explain why you have cobra venom.

geeker2 · #9 10-05-2007, 07:57 PM

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Having vaccinations for the barn cats and horses, and unlabeled vials and bottles of routine horse meds doesn't bother me that much (the last is unfortunately very common). There is some interesting other stuff there.

But it doesn't hold a candle to trying to explain why you have cobra venom.

I read somewhere they use Cobra Venom in France as type of Viagra...maybe this is all an innocent mistake and it will all be cleared up in the appeals process...man let's hope so - we need the BConehead

Riot · #10 10-05-2007, 06:00 PM

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Don't be fooled...as soon as he appeals the decision..he will be golden till well after the BC.....

So ??? I'm sure Kee got it done as fast as they could. He's entitled to appeal. What matters to me is if he's at next year's BC.

I don't understand why folks are so appalled "he only got a year". Didn't anyone read, during the past month, what the various penalties "could" be for finding cobra venom in a tackroom? I'm glad he got the max under the rules.

I just hope other tracks honor it once it's done. I hope other tracks don't give him stalls.

And I'm glad Qasicobra finished out of the money today - otherwise I'd have to be convinced there isn't any justice at all, even from the karma gods.

Riot · #11 10-05-2007, 04:48 PM

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The vet got 5 years. I know the 1 year is standard, but I think the committee could move away from the standard penalty.

Well, they've adopted legal rules and penalties and outlined them so people know what will happen if they violate those rules. They can't violate their own rules, and arbitrarily disregard them.

I want to see what other racing jurisdictions honor the KY penalty. I hope they all do. And I want to see what CA will do regarding his previous violation, given with the caveat he not get in trouble again.

And there is no reason that any track can't refuse to give him stalls.

Pedigree Ann · #12 10-07-2007, 04:20 AM

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Originally Posted by whodey17

The vet got 5 years. I know the 1 year is standard, but I think the committee could move away from the standard penalty. What is the point in the 1 year suspension. I say give the person who violates the rul with a 5 year ban. We are the only country who puts up this crap in our sport.

The vet supposedly has more complete and specific knowledge of the effects of using these medications, given his education and training. Moreover, his profession is supposed to have the goal of maintaining health in the animals, not giving them 'quick fixes' so they can run. The vet takes an oath like a doctor and should be a first line of defense against crooked trainers wanting an edge. I would guess that is the reason they came down hard on the vet (who can go work on show horses or cows, if he wants to now. He won't be totally out of business, like Biancone will be.)

parsixfarms · #13 10-08-2007, 03:42 PM

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The vet supposedly has more complete and specific knowledge of the effects of using these medications, given his education and training. Moreover, his profession is supposed to have the goal of maintaining health in the animals, not giving them 'quick fixes' so they can run. The vet takes an oath like a doctor and should be a first line of defense against crooked trainers wanting an edge. I would guess that is the reason they came down hard on the vet (who can go work on show horses or cows, if he wants to now. He won't be totally out of business, like Biancone will be.)

They both deserve to be totally out of business.

parsixfarms · #14 10-08-2007, 03:51 PM

Did the comments attributed to Alan Foreman in yesterday's story in DRF strike anyone else the wrong way? Here's a guy who is retained (and very well-paid) counsel to many of the horseman's organizations around the country - and he's out there defending a guy like Biancone with "the dog ate my homework"/"I thought it was flaxseed oil"-type excuses and suggesting that a mere fine was in order in this case. His comments are an insult to those that believe drugs are a serious problem in the sport. I don't begrudge anyone making a living, but it seems to me that, given the vast number of honest horseman that Mr. Foreman represents, Biancone was not a client that he needed to take on.

Cannon Shell · #15 10-08-2007, 04:11 PM

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Did the comments attributed to Alan Foreman in yesterday's story in DRF strike anyone else the wrong way? Here's a guy who is retained (and very well-paid) counsel to many of the horseman's organizations around the country - and he's out there defending a guy like Biancone with "the dog ate my homework"/"I thought it was flaxseed oil"-type excuses and suggesting that a mere fine was in order in this case. His comments are an insult to those that believe drugs are a serious problem in the sport. I don't begrudge anyone making a living, but it seems to me that, given the vast number of honest horseman that Mr. Foreman represents, Biancone was not a client that he needed to take on.

A lawyer will say anything to get his client off...but I find his anti-KHRA stance ironic in many ways...

geeker2 · #16 10-08-2007, 04:31 PM

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A lawyer will say anything to get his client off...but I find his anti-KHRA stance ironic in many ways...

Steve should have this guy on his show...but he probably would be unwilling to face the Mighty BYK!!

Riot · #17 10-08-2007, 05:06 PM

Let's see if California has any balls .... wonder if they mean, "in California only", or nationwide?
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(from DRF recently)
Biancone hit for $10K fine in California
By JAY PRIVMAN
Trainer Patrick Biancone on Wednesday was fined $10,000 and given a suspended sentence of 15 days by Del Mar's stewards for a medication violation that took place at Santa Anita in January.

Biancone was cited for the horse Iron Butterfly, who finished second in the second race on Jan. 7 and subsequently tested positive for the medication salmeterol, a bronchodilator that is considered a Class 3 medication, which have less potential to affect performance than Class 1 or Class 2 medications.

The 15-day suspension was stayed by Del Mar's stewards as long as Biancone does not have any Class 1, 2, or 3 medication violations for one year from the date of the ruling.

Biancone on Wednesday began a 15-day suspension for a drug positive, also for a bronchodilator, incurred in Kentucky.

In addition, Biancone has been under investigation in Kentucky since June, when investigators searched his barns at Keeneland Racecourse, along with the truck of his veterinarian, Dr. Rod Stewart. According to a source close to the investigation who spoke on the condition of anonymity, investigators discovered a vial of the crystalline form of cobra venom - a prohibited substance - during the searches.

Cannon Shell · #18 10-08-2007, 05:23 PM

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Steve should have this guy on his show...but he probably would be unwilling to face the Mighty BYK!!

That would be a victory for the lawyer just getting on the show, though Byk may blast him

ELA · #19 10-08-2007, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

A lawyer will say anything to get his client off...but I find his anti-KHRA stance ironic in many ways...

I agree wholeheartedly.

As a side note/question -- does anyone know what the KHRA rules are on this violation, if in fact they have any?

Eric

Cannon Shell · #20 10-08-2007, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ELA

I agree wholeheartedly.

As a side note/question -- does anyone know what the KHRA rules are on this violation, if in fact they have any?

Eric

They (KHRA) only show you the rules when you break them