3rd time the charm for English Channel..?

Danzig · #1 10-05-2007, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

when he has his way he has a brilliant finish. One of the best in the world. He usually demolishes most of his local competition the instant he kicks in gear. At the high class level their are three animals and three men fighting for two paths. He hasn't responded well to that.

I think he will give a good effort and display a good kick here. A win would be surprising but is possible, a top 5 finish more likely. He will also be a slight underlay.

he looked determined squeezing thru a space too small for him the other day. i couldn't believe they made it thru.

Bobby Fischer · #2 10-05-2007, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

he looked determined squeezing thru a space too small for him the other day. i couldn't believe they made it thru.

He sure was. Those were lesser animals that managed to successfully race-ride him and still got trounced. Imagine how their actual ability lines up. There is no doubt that Pletcher has this one's late kick at a brilliant level. The horse itself always has to pass the class test as well in the world class races.

NoChanceToDance · #3 10-05-2007, 08:03 AM

Don't get me wrong, i like English Channel and against the American turf horses he is usually in a different league...... BUT if any of our half decent turf horses come over to Monmouth (which they more than likely will), English Channel will be in for a serious beating again.

He has been facing weak fields of late in my opinion, and can do nothing more than beat them fairly easily.

He won't be winning the BC turf though. Red Rocks wasn't exactly a superstar (far from it) and he made English Channel look like a claimer last year.

GPK · #4 10-05-2007, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by NoChanceToDance

Don't get me wrong, i like English Channel and against the American turf horses he is usually in a different league...... BUT if any of our half decent turf horses come over to Monmouth (which they more than likely will), English Channel will be in for a serious beating again.

He has been facing weak fields of late in my opinion, and can do nothing more than beat them fairly easily.

He won't be winning the BC turf though. Red Rocks wasn't exactly a superstar (far from it) and he made English Channel look like a claimer last year.

thats the dumb ass statement of the year...

The two horses that were running second to last and last for the majority of the race finished 1st and 2nd. The race set up perfectly for closers. Of all the horses on or near the lead last year EC was the ONLY one to finish well at all when he finished 3rd.

Much sharper turns and shorter run for home will be the Euro's undoing this year.

VOL JACK · #5 10-05-2007, 08:24 AM

His G1 on derby day in the woodford reserve was against a decent field. I' ve always like EC and his running style usually provides a perfect trip. I don't think he can beat BTN at monmouth with a fast pace in the breeders cup. He isn't a 12 furlong horse. 9 or 10 is his best distance.

NoChanceToDance · #6 10-05-2007, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by GPK

thats the dumb ass statement of the year...

The two horses that were running second to last and last for the majority of the race finished 1st and 2nd. The race set up perfectly for closers. Of all the horses on or near the lead last year EC was the ONLY one to finish well at all when he finished 3rd.

Much sharper turns and shorter run for home will be the Euro's undoing this year.

and you said my post was the dumb ass statement of the year. You quickly took the crown off me.

If the likes of Dylan Thomas come over the BC turf, your horses have not got a chance around any track. Much sharper turns and run for home is a very poor argument. Most of out horses that will be pin pointed there have the speed to win over 10 furlongs, too. A sharp track won't bother them. If only Manduro didn't injure himself, he would have blown everything away.

#7 10-05-2007, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by NoChanceToDance

and you said my post was the dumb ass statement of the year. You quickly took the crown off me.

If the likes of Dylan Thomas come over the BC turf, your horses have not got a chance around any track. Much sharper turns and run for home is a very poor argument. Most of out horses that will be pin pointed there have the speed to win over 10 furlongs, too. A sharp track won't bother them. If only Manduro didn't injure himself, he would have blown everything away.

That's just ridiculous. Sharper turns do matter, especially if the turf is firm.

Travis Stone · #8 10-05-2007, 08:38 AM

Out-running Stream of Gold to the wire is not nearly as difficult as out-running the worlds best.

NoChanceToDance · #9 10-05-2007, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Travis Stone

Out-running Stream of Gold to the wire is not nearly as difficult as out-running the worlds best.

Especially when Stream Of Gold wasn't good enough to win even a moderate group race over here.

NoChanceToDance · #10 10-05-2007, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

That's just ridiculous. Sharper turns do matter, especially if the turf is firm.

Not when most of our horses have the speed to win over trips varying between a mile and 12 furlongs this year.

Something like Red Rocks wouldn't be suited, granted. But he isn't even that good anyway, not compared with something like Dylan Thomas.

I hope Dylan will travel out there, whatever happens with the Arc on Sunday. He needs firm ground to be at his best, and when he's at his best he is almost unbeatable.
This fella has plenty of speed, so the sharper turns won't matter to him.

It really shouldn't make much of a difference.

GPK · #11 10-05-2007, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by NoChanceToDance

and you said my post was the dumb ass statement of the year. You quickly took the crown off me.

If the likes of Dylan Thomas come over the BC turf, your horses have not got a chance around any track. Much sharper turns and run for home is a very poor argument. Most of out horses that will be pin pointed there have the speed to win over 10 furlongs, too. A sharp track won't bother them. If only Manduro didn't injure himself, he would have blown everything away.

So you are saying that Red Rocks DIDN'T trip out last year with that win?

NoChanceToDance · #12 10-05-2007, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by GPK

So you are saying that Red Rocks DIDN'T trip out last year with that win?

Red Rocks could have galloped around that track again probably. He is a very stout stayer in my opinion. Although he did manage to win over 10 furlongs earlier this year (that's just off the top of my head).

We shall have to wait and see what sort of horses we send over there. It might be a case where we send over a very weak bunch, but i doubt it considering the pennies the good horses are racing for over here.

As i said, most of our good 12 furlong horses this year have shown more than enough speed when winning over 10 furlongs to suggest a sharp track won't be an issue for them.

GPK · #13 10-05-2007, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by NoChanceToDance

Red Rocks could have galloped around that track again probably. He is a very stout stayer in my opinion. Although he did manage to win over 10 furlongs earlier this year (that's just off the top of my head).

We shall have to wait and see what sort of horses we send over there. It might be a case where we send over a very weak bunch, but i doubt it considering the pennies the good horses are racing for over here.

As i said, most of our good 12 furlong horses this year have shown more than enough speed when winning over 10 furlongs to suggest a sharp track won't be an issue for them.

I could have galloped around that track again with the same trip Red Rocks got..

GPK · #14 10-05-2007, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Didn't Bejarano's horse, whose name escapes me right now run well either right on the lead or just off? Tom Amoss trained him and he got hurt in an allowance race this year.

Jay...he may have. You know how foolishly stubborn I am when it comes to EC. I was more suprised than anyone last year that EC even finished 3rd and ran on well towards the end like he did. If I remember right, and I usually do when it comes to his races, EC was 3-4 wide the entire race last year. I remember being at the OTB and yelling at J.V.

GPK · #15 10-05-2007, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I know. I like getting you worked up over him. He did run well last year and depending on what comes over, he's definitely a factor.

you and 1,000 other members on here...

its ok though...I deserve it