My horse of the year scenarios

[Pedigree Ann]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Wouldn't the others have to fall for Student Council to win..I am sure Neil Howard feels real good about the chemicals running thru SC body. All of a sudden the colt improves 12 lenghts overnight. Must be the oats.

Horse was looking for a distance of ground. Look at the record - first time he tried 10f, he's a winner. Second time he tries 10f, he's a winner. Not surprising, with a stayer sire in Kingmambo (average progeny win distance 9.9f in Europe) and damsire Kris S (Euro average distance 11.3f).

Don't think he's in a class with the other major BC Classic candidates, but his improvement with the added furlong is not entirely unexpected. Just aren't many 10f stakes races in the center of the country these days.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann

Horse was looking for a distance of ground. Look at the record - first time he tried 10f, he's a winner. Second time he tries 10f, he's a winner. Not surprising, with a stayer sire in Kingmambo (average progeny win distance 9.9f in Europe) and damsire Kris S (Euro average distance 11.3f).

Don't think he's in a class with the other major BC Classic candidates, but his improvement with the added furlong is not entirely unexpected. Just aren't many 10f stakes races in the center of the country these days.

Wow this is good stuff..Let's call Farish and Howard and let them know what they bred and why he is a runner now maybe they can buy him back and stand him next.

I really don't mean to be a jerk but seriously do you believe anything that you wrote above. You think that the horse is starting to come around because he is bred to get get 10 to 14f's? Don't you think Lanesend has a an idea how Mambo's tend to be? Isn't a bit more plausible that N.Howard is not a cheater because his client can't and the new owners can?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Wow this is good stuff..Let's call Farish and Howard and let them know what they bred and why his is a runner now maybe they can buy him back and stand him next.

I really don't mean to be a jerk but seriously do you believe anything that you wrote above. You think that the horse is starting to come around because he is bred to get get 10 to 14f's? Don't you think Lanesend has a an idea how Mambo's tend to be? Isn't a bit more plausible that N.Howard is not a cheater because his client can't and the new owners can?

I know you are new and all but he has won 2 of the worst handicap races ever run in North America. He is not running huge numbers or doing much more than he was before.


OMG I just defended the syringe and Assmussen....feeling weak....

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Wow this is good stuff..Let's call Farish and Howard and let them know what they bred and why he is a runner now maybe they can buy him back and stand him next.

I really don't mean to be a jerk but seriously do you believe anything that you wrote above. You think that the horse is starting to come around because he is bred to get get 10 to 14f's? Don't you think Lanesend has a an idea how Mambo's tend to be? Isn't a bit more plausible that N.Howard is not a cheater because his client can't and the new owners can?

Then again, why not ask yourself why people thought he was impossible in that race? He was competitive vs Brass Hat, Magna Grad and Wanderin Boy. He certainly was not impossible vs an unproven Lava Man and the rest of that scraggly crew on the synthetic.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

Then again, why not ask yourself why people thought he was impossible in that race? He was competitive vs Brass Hat, Magna Grad and Wanderin Boy. He certainly was not impossible vs an unproven Lava Man and the rest of that scraggly crew on the synthetic.

This I totally agree with but only because now the colt was being treated with new medication

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by freddymo

This I totally agree with but only because now the colt was being treated with new medication

Like what?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

Like what?

the special, undectable stuff that moves em up in a week pills

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

the special, undectable stuff that moves em up in a week pills

Like what?

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

the special, undectable stuff that moves em up in a week pills

Exactly

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Wow this is good stuff..Let's call Farish and Howard and let them know what they bred and why he is a runner now maybe they can buy him back and stand him next.

I really don't mean to be a jerk but seriously do you believe anything that you wrote above. You think that the horse is starting to come around because he is bred to get get 10 to 14f's? Don't you think Lanesend has a an idea how Mambo's tend to be? Isn't a bit more plausible that N.Howard is not a cheater because his client can't and the new owners can?

the horse had been coming around incrementally for Howard for some time.
The Del Mar race was not any kind of breakout performance according to any figures i have seen. It was in fact in line with how he was performing for Howard. SC's best TG# remains his last race at Churchill Downs for Howard.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Yeah I'm sure his "improvement" had nothing to do with going into barns that have had a pretty extensive history of drug overages in the past.

I doubt you can syringe a horse to win a grade 1 and easily get away with it. Especially first time Vladimir.