hypothetical derby

#1 07-18-2006, 09:52 PM

Here's the bottom line, folks ...

Run this race ten times ... and you'll get ten different winners.

There are no standouts in this bunch ... and every one of them has big, big built-in excuses for their losses.

randallscott35 · #2 07-18-2006, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

Here's the bottom line, folks ...

Run this race ten times ... and you'll get ten different winners.

There are no standouts in this bunch ... and every one of them has big, big built-in excuses for their losses.

I agree with this. But if Empire Maker and Point Given are healthy, I give them a slight edge with Smarty around as well.

#3 07-18-2006, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35

I agree with this. But if Empire Maker and Point Given are healthy, I give them a slight edge with Smarty around as well.

But ...

... but both of those guys were healthy when they ran in the actual race ... and neither won.

Anyhow ... this is a fun thread. I make 6 the under/over on the number of pages it will run.

randallscott35 · #4 07-18-2006, 10:24 PM

BB,

You should know that Empire Maker was far from healthy when he ran in that race. He was damn near running with a bar shoe.

#5 07-18-2006, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35

BB,

You should know that Empire Maker was far from healthy when he ran in that race. He was damn near running with a bar shoe.

That's right ... I forgot ...

... Frankel always runs sore horses ... he's such a taskmaster ... pumping race after race into his horses without a letup.

#6 07-19-2006, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Dixie Porter

Dear Grand Master,

Sorry to have the temerity to Q this post, BUT EM's Derby was an abberation of Bobby's normal philosophy on conditioning. He was indeed having problems with his wheels. He wasn't even 100% in the Belmont.

I've always felt this horse was a lot better then the credit given him by the media and racing fans.

Yes, Your Wisdomness ... I agree that you know the Frankel barn as well as anyone ... including Mr. Bobby himself ... but ...

... what about Lost In The Fog in the Smile? Any comments, thoughts, suggestions?

No, wait ... forget about "suggestions" .. I already have a good idea what they would be.

Kasept · #7 07-19-2006, 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

But ... both of those guys were healthy when they ran in the actual race ... and neither won. Anyhow ... this is a fun thread. I make 6 the under/over on the number of pages it will run.

BB,

I absolutely hated EM at the time and savaged Frankel in writing for the way he acted towards Tagg pre-Belmont, but the horse wasn't 100% Derby Day.. As for PG, he may have been "healthy", but he WAS short, and that hoof was almost NEVER "perfect" his whole soph season. I've maintained 2 things about Point Given:

1.) I've suggested that he instinctively "chose" to not run all out on that rock hard Downs surface that day.. That track ruined Monarchos, Invisible Ink, Thunder Blitz and others, and it took a long time for Congaree to get right afterwards as well.

2.) His win in the Haskell was testimony to how great he was. He was totally off in the problem hoof that day and still got up on a speed favoring surface running against a negative pace scenario for him.

31lengths · #8 07-19-2006, 05:54 AM

There are no standouts in this bunch ... and every one of them has big, big built-in excuses for their losses.[/quote]

That could be said for EVERY Derby winner who didn't lose a race before the Derby.

slotdirt · #9 07-19-2006, 06:52 AM

OT, but I got upgraded from a non-existent track to a training track? That's a promotion in posting status?