Saturday's Results

[GPK]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

However, his non-2YO numbers dropped of last year as well.

but not quite as dramatically...

you bring up a good point and like you, I am surprised it hasn't been discussed.

[GPK]

whats really odd to me...is not just the drop in win % and ITM %...but the dramatic drop in starters. What could be to blame there?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by GPK

whats really odd to me...is not just the drop in win % and ITM %...but the dramatic drop in starters. What could be to blame there?

The number of starters have been fairly consistent.

[Linny]

Originally Posted by GPK

whats really odd to me...is not just the drop in win % and ITM %...but the dramatic drop in starters. What could be to blame there?

I have not read this whole thread, pardon me if I repeat someone...

TP has dropped off in NY but in Jersey and Illinois he's maintained his usual figs. Has he changed help? Has the question of the condition of the racing/training surfaces been brought up?
Something clearly is amiss with the "A Team" that's based in NY. His numbers ot the elite level declined even while his stable has grown. To me that says theat they are getting hurt between races or before their debut. The condition of the tracks has been a hot button issue for horsemen and though Todd has not been extremely vocal, even in the wake of Rag's injury, I have to assume that it's playing a role.

Cardus: Yep, it was discussed regularly on the Spa backstretch and I'd guess it's still a topic of chat at Belmont.
BTW: I agree with your premise, but the The Leopard at anything less than 5-1 was a joke. Esp. after seeing Immortal Eyes choke in the Belmont MSW.

[docicu3]

Bear Now ran big as expected. Again I understand why Octave was the favorite but this one was more likely to go this way than not.

The fact that Octave got second was a small dissapointment but the Win price on Bear Now was quite frankly stunning as a return.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by docicu3

Bear Now ran big as expected. Again I understand why Octave was the favorite but this one was more likely to go this way than not.

The fact that Octave got second was a small dissapointment but the Win price on Bear Now was quite frankly stunning as a return.

red boarder...lol

[docicu3]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

red boarder...lol

Good to see you weren't swept away by the storm.......

Yes predicting a winner 3 dys prior to the race is red boarding!!!

Didn't play much today I need to take what I can get....

[docicu3]

Oh yeah....Todd doesn't like Delaware either Andy doesn't ship there as much as the other slot fueled tracks...and even less since the curse was layed on him.....

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by docicu3

Good to see you weren't swept away by the storm.......

Yes predicting a winner 3 dys prior to the race is red boarding!!!

Didn't play much today I need to take what I can get....

congrats

[docicu3]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

How was it so stunning? Didn't you like Moon Catcher in that race?

From the other thread..

For this race..

I like the angle about late developing 3 year olds who have improved recently continuing winning ways in this race and will try to beat Otave as well with Bear Now/Moon Catcher/Octave,Talking Bout Love and let the race hopefully bring value boxing combinations of these.

If Octave wins the race I lose if not I got a shot at decent payoffs.


I think it's pretty clear who I was playing to win. The dissapointment was with Octave taking second but hey....I'll take that price to win anytime. The moon catcher stuff was about the fig being the best at the distance.

[ddthetide]

why did jv take octave off the rail and run her in the 3 path the whole way around? when they turned for home the rail was Wide open and octave was in the 5-6 path. they ran most of the stretch in the middle of the track.

[cmorioles]

Usually, when a trainer hits a cold streak, you can figure out why. Maybe they had horses with a lot of conditions left and used them up. Claiming barns sometimes lose a bunch of horses in a short span. Maybe there has been a loss of a big owner or two. Sometimes there is illness in the barn.

In this case, nearly all the horses seem to have gone off form. These horses not only aren't winning, they aren't coming close to living up to the ability the previous PP lines show they have. There is no logical explanation to the slump. Perhaps Todd has lost his drive since lucking into finally winning a TC race.

As a bettor, this is a great thing. As a fan of the sport, it is also a good thing. Having too many horses in one barn isn't good for anyone other than the trainer himself. Mabye this will help change that, though somehow I doubt it.

[docicu3]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

You mention trying to beat Octave with 4 horses, one of those being Octave herself. What's clear about that? If you hit, good job, but there is nothing clear in your post.

/ = over....

Bear Now over Moon Catcher over Octave , Talking bout Love as in Tri. The only thing wrong here was the second place prediction.

Kind of Byk format....

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Linny

Has the question of the condition of the racing/training surfaces been brought up?
Something clearly is amiss with the "A Team" that's based in NY. His numbers ot the elite level declined even while his stable has grown. To me that says theat they are getting hurt between races or before their debut. The condition of the tracks has been a hot button issue for horsemen and though Todd has not been extremely vocal, even in the wake of Rag's injury, I have to assume that it's playing a role.

Trainers have been complaining about Passero sealing the track too much, and its effects on the surface, for years now. It is only now getting attention.....and hopefully the situation is being rectified. But, it's been an ongoing problem since he came to NY.

[estreetposse]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Trainers have been complaining about Passero sealing the track too much, and its effects on the surface, for years now. It is only now getting attention.....and hopefully the situation is being rectified. But, it's been an ongoing problem since he came to NY.

The sealing of the track seems to be a big issue this year at the Spa...I really don't know about the conditions at the Big A and Belmont trackwise but as an employer who is about an hour west of Saratoga and must keep track of the the weather conditions for his crew, thunderstorms were rolling thru the Mohawk Valley and the foothills of the Adirondacks daily...many just missing the Saratoga area. I kept a weather watch a few times for friends as well who were at the track just to let them know if any rain was on the way...Maybe Passero did get a little carried away sealing the track like he did but there was a threat of severe storms and downpours quite a few of the days this summer. They might not of hit the Spa but you didn't have to travel far to see where they did hit.

[ELA]

Originally Posted by Linny

I have not read this whole thread, pardon me if I repeat someone...

TP has dropped off in NY but in Jersey and Illinois he's maintained his usual figs. Has he changed help? Has the question of the condition of the racing/training surfaces been brought up?
Something clearly is amiss with the "A Team" that's based in NY. His numbers ot the elite level declined even while his stable has grown. To me that says theat they are getting hurt between races or before their debut. The condition of the tracks has been a hot button issue for horsemen and though Todd has not been extremely vocal, even in the wake of Rag's injury, I have to assume that it's playing a role.

Cardus: Yep, it was discussed regularly on the Spa backstretch and I'd guess it's still a topic of chat at Belmont.
BTW: I agree with your premise, but the The Leopard at anything less than 5-1 was a joke. Esp. after seeing Immortal Eyes choke in the Belmont MSW.

Regarding the so called track condition issue(s) of today -- this has been going on for years. For whatever reason, it's coming to life now and getting to the forefront. Regardless, Todd has given a quote here and there, but has been very indifferent, almost ambivalent. Why hasn't anyone come right out and asked him whether or not there is a problem?

There are a few who are vocal and who think there is a huge problem. There are others who think there is absolutely nothing wrong. This entire issue -- real or not -- has nothing to do with Pletcher's barn. That's why I think he hasn't been vocal at all.

Eric

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by GPK

but not quite as dramatically...

you bring up a good point and like you, I am surprised it hasn't been discussed.

When you compile an operation like the " Pletcher Machine " you have to expect to have your numbers scrutinized. In Baseball, small market teams that spend little money are expected to not do well ( especially these days ), but if teams like the Red Sox and Yankees underperform there's non-stop scrutiny ( probably too much ). It's just the nature of the beast. I'm sorry there isn't more of it in racing.

However, I'm sure that Todd scrutinizes them as well as anybody and perhaps he's his own harshest critic. He's a very smart person.....he knows what responsibilities he's placed upon himself and I'm sure he takes these numbers as seriously as anyone.

[GPK]

sorry...looking at the wrong column there.


Damn Miller Lite...

[PPerfectfan]

Originally Posted by GPK

sorry...looking at the wrong column there.


Damn Miller Lite...

I hate when that happens too!!

The supply of cobra venom is low right now.