Saturday's Results

[blackthroatedwind]

Here are the 2YO numbers....



2007 3 / 47 6% Wins 30% ITM

2006 12 / 44 27% 55%

2005 7 / 38 18% 42%

2004 16 / 45 36% 60%

2003 13 / 46 28% 59%


Thus his non - 2YO numbers are


2007 10 / 68 15% Wins 40% ITM

2006 12 / 72 17% 47%

2005 15 / 62 24% 53%

2004 17 / 75 23% 53%

2003 22 / 79 28% 56%

[GPK]

hard to pin the blame on "lack of good 2yo's" in his barn. This guy is handed the best baby horse flesh year in and year out. Your numbers don't drop that dramatically from one year to the next based on that excuse alone.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by GPK

hard to pin the blame on "lack of good 2yo's" in his barn. This guy is handed the best baby horse flesh year in and year out. Your numbers don't drop that dramatically from one year to the next based on that excuse alone.

However, his non-2YO numbers dropped of last year as well.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

However, his non-2YO numbers dropped of last year as well.

but not quite as dramatically...

you bring up a good point and like you, I am surprised it hasn't been discussed.

[GPK]

whats really odd to me...is not just the drop in win % and ITM %...but the dramatic drop in starters. What could be to blame there?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by GPK

whats really odd to me...is not just the drop in win % and ITM %...but the dramatic drop in starters. What could be to blame there?

The number of starters have been fairly consistent.

[Linny]

Originally Posted by GPK

whats really odd to me...is not just the drop in win % and ITM %...but the dramatic drop in starters. What could be to blame there?

I have not read this whole thread, pardon me if I repeat someone...

TP has dropped off in NY but in Jersey and Illinois he's maintained his usual figs. Has he changed help? Has the question of the condition of the racing/training surfaces been brought up?
Something clearly is amiss with the "A Team" that's based in NY. His numbers ot the elite level declined even while his stable has grown. To me that says theat they are getting hurt between races or before their debut. The condition of the tracks has been a hot button issue for horsemen and though Todd has not been extremely vocal, even in the wake of Rag's injury, I have to assume that it's playing a role.

Cardus: Yep, it was discussed regularly on the Spa backstretch and I'd guess it's still a topic of chat at Belmont.
BTW: I agree with your premise, but the The Leopard at anything less than 5-1 was a joke. Esp. after seeing Immortal Eyes choke in the Belmont MSW.

[docicu3]

Bear Now ran big as expected. Again I understand why Octave was the favorite but this one was more likely to go this way than not.

The fact that Octave got second was a small dissapointment but the Win price on Bear Now was quite frankly stunning as a return.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Linny

Has the question of the condition of the racing/training surfaces been brought up?
Something clearly is amiss with the "A Team" that's based in NY. His numbers ot the elite level declined even while his stable has grown. To me that says theat they are getting hurt between races or before their debut. The condition of the tracks has been a hot button issue for horsemen and though Todd has not been extremely vocal, even in the wake of Rag's injury, I have to assume that it's playing a role.

Trainers have been complaining about Passero sealing the track too much, and its effects on the surface, for years now. It is only now getting attention.....and hopefully the situation is being rectified. But, it's been an ongoing problem since he came to NY.

[ELA]

Originally Posted by Linny

I have not read this whole thread, pardon me if I repeat someone...

TP has dropped off in NY but in Jersey and Illinois he's maintained his usual figs. Has he changed help? Has the question of the condition of the racing/training surfaces been brought up?
Something clearly is amiss with the "A Team" that's based in NY. His numbers ot the elite level declined even while his stable has grown. To me that says theat they are getting hurt between races or before their debut. The condition of the tracks has been a hot button issue for horsemen and though Todd has not been extremely vocal, even in the wake of Rag's injury, I have to assume that it's playing a role.

Cardus: Yep, it was discussed regularly on the Spa backstretch and I'd guess it's still a topic of chat at Belmont.
BTW: I agree with your premise, but the The Leopard at anything less than 5-1 was a joke. Esp. after seeing Immortal Eyes choke in the Belmont MSW.

Regarding the so called track condition issue(s) of today -- this has been going on for years. For whatever reason, it's coming to life now and getting to the forefront. Regardless, Todd has given a quote here and there, but has been very indifferent, almost ambivalent. Why hasn't anyone come right out and asked him whether or not there is a problem?

There are a few who are vocal and who think there is a huge problem. There are others who think there is absolutely nothing wrong. This entire issue -- real or not -- has nothing to do with Pletcher's barn. That's why I think he hasn't been vocal at all.

Eric

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by GPK

but not quite as dramatically...

you bring up a good point and like you, I am surprised it hasn't been discussed.

When you compile an operation like the " Pletcher Machine " you have to expect to have your numbers scrutinized. In Baseball, small market teams that spend little money are expected to not do well ( especially these days ), but if teams like the Red Sox and Yankees underperform there's non-stop scrutiny ( probably too much ). It's just the nature of the beast. I'm sorry there isn't more of it in racing.

However, I'm sure that Todd scrutinizes them as well as anybody and perhaps he's his own harshest critic. He's a very smart person.....he knows what responsibilities he's placed upon himself and I'm sure he takes these numbers as seriously as anyone.

[GPK]

sorry...looking at the wrong column there.


Damn Miller Lite...

[PPerfectfan]

Originally Posted by GPK

sorry...looking at the wrong column there.


Damn Miller Lite...

I hate when that happens too!!

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

well ill jump on this..

a. his go to guy jv has been riding as if hes abit off ..sence his spills..

b. too many horses under his care .. micro managing 4 diffrent strings gets old
after so much success he may be letting his guys make more of the calls locally

c allday on vacation after some vets have gotten busted maybee the "extra attention" is lacking..

on a side note the non take down of the two at belmont was laughable...

[philcski]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

well ill jump on this..

a. his go to guy jv has been riding as if hes abit off ..sence his spills..

b. too many horses under his care .. micro managing 4 diffrent strings gets old
after so much success he may be letting his guys make more of the calls locally

c allday on vacation after some vets have gotten busted maybee the "extra attention" is lacking..

on a side note the non take down of the two at belmont was laughable...

how exactly did that horse stay up?? the inconsistency of what is taken down/left up is ridiculous. the rule is if the incident cost the other horse a placement in the judge of the stewards, the offender must be placed behind the horse they interfered with. now, I lack the "expert eye" the stewards apparently have but in my honest opinion the favorite would have finished 3rd or 4th not 6th as he did.