AP '08 Dates Announced

GBBob · #1 09-19-2007, 08:50 AM

Arlington was "awarded" racing dates from 5/2-9/25 for the 2008 season. A little help on the back end over this year, but still couldn't push deep into Oct because of the GC at Hawthorne....aka...The Palace...

SentToStud · #2 09-19-2007, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by GBBob

Arlington was "awarded" racing dates from 5/2-9/25 for the 2008 season. A little help on the back end over this year, but still couldn't push deep into Oct because of the GC at Hawthorne....aka...The Palace...

I miss Hawthorne. Nothing like Smokestack Downs. Not to mention the view of the ruins of Sportsmans from the ramp.

GBBob · #3 09-19-2007, 09:13 AM

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I miss Hawthorne. Nothing like Smokestack Downs. Not to mention the view of the ruins of Sportsmans from the ramp.

I believe that's Hawthorne in your Avatar?

Not to re-ignite the dirt vs Poly discussion, but I wonder what it will be like as these horses re-transition from poly back to dirt after having made the switch earlier this Spring?

SentToStud · #4 09-19-2007, 09:30 AM

Alas, it's not Hawthorne. A nice place but nowhere near the majesty of the Palace of Stickney. At least I have my memories. Reavis with belt buckle as big as your head. Mancari with suits so shiny you could be blinded by looking directly at him.

JJP · #5 09-19-2007, 09:23 PM

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I believe that's Hawthorne in your Avatar?

Not to re-ignite the dirt vs Poly discussion, but I wonder what it will be like as these horses re-transition from poly back to dirt after having made the switch earlier this Spring?

There will be many good bets as tiring speedballs from AP will last much, much longer. And any deep closing winner from AP should be strongly downgraded.

Scav · #6 09-19-2007, 09:26 PM

Hush right now!!

ArlJim78 · #7 09-19-2007, 09:37 PM

the horses move from a fair track where early speed horses win at about a 30% clip to a track that rewards early speed to the insane level of 50% winners. count on plenty of boring races as they ride the conveyor belt.

#8 09-19-2007, 11:40 PM

I thought that Poly at Arlington played like a conveyor belt more times than not......

Scav · #9 09-19-2007, 11:54 PM

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I thought that Poly at Arlington played like a conveyor belt more times than not......

Statistically speaking, it was a very EVEN meet, like 29% of favorites won, inside/outside post won at 50% of the time, and closers vs speed split also.

Now, I question these numbers because the last two weeks at Arlington was speed upon speed, on both courses for that matter. Early in the meet you had to be in the back half to have a shot.

ArlJim78 · #10 09-20-2007, 06:30 AM

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I thought that Poly at Arlington played like a conveyor belt more times than not......

speed was not disadvantaged there as many claim, but it was nothing like hawthorne.

#11 09-20-2007, 09:33 AM

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speed was not disadvantaged their as many claim, but it was nothing like hawthorne.

Other than Mogadishu, there arent many places like Hawthorne.

cmorioles · #12 09-20-2007, 10:36 AM

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speed was not disadvantaged there as many claim, but it was nothing like hawthorne.

Disadvantaged? Maybe not, but it certainly wasn't like the Arlington dirt track either. It is better than Kee and Dmr, that is for sure.

disappearingdan_akaplaya · #13 09-20-2007, 10:36 AM

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I miss Hawthorne. Nothing like Smokestack Downs. Not to mention the view of the ruins of Sportsmans from the ramp.

everytime i look@sportsmans i wanna cry when walking in and out of the thorne up the ramp. since im a owner these days i tend to just go in the track underneath from the horsemans lot to avoid waiting in line and to avoid seeing sportsmans. wish i had the loot id buy the SP property and the HAW property(although the careys will never sell no matter the price) and build one huge beautiful new track on both lots. lol maybe kinda like AQU with a winter surface that being poly and also with a reg dirt course.........ahhhhhhhhhhhh fun to dream

GBBob · #14 09-20-2007, 10:41 AM

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everytime i look@sportsmans i wanna cry when walking in and out of the thorne up the ramp. since im a owner these days i tend to just go in the track underneath from the horsemans lot to avoid waiting in line and to avoid seeing sportsmans. wish i had the loot id buy the SP property and the HAW property(although the careys will never sell no matter the price) and build one huge beautiful new track on both lots. lol maybe kinda like AQU with a winter surface that being poly and also with a reg dirt course.........ahhhhhhhhhhhh fun to dream

Hey...did anyone ever hear anymore about what Duchessois was going to do with Carey's loan that he bought from Harris Bank? A year ago that was big news as he could have forced them into foreclosure by calling in the loan. Is he really playing that nice with them?

disappearingdan_akaplaya · #15 09-20-2007, 10:44 AM

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Hey...did anyone ever hear anymore about what Duchessois was going to do with Carey's loan that he bought from Harris Bank? A year ago that was big news as he could have forced them into foreclosure by calling in the loan. Is he really playing that nice with them?

i think it was a debt from sportsmans he bought out regarding the barns sitting on the HAW property that sportsmans used to own and is now owned bu dick d, last i heard a couple days ago is that a agreement is near between the careys and dick d about the barns that cover i think round 500 stalls

GBBob · #16 09-20-2007, 10:46 AM

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i think it was a debt from sportsmans he bought out regarding the barns sitting on the HAW property that sportsmans used to own and is now owned bu dick d, last i heard a couple days ago is that a agreement is near between the careys and dick d about the barns that cover i think round 500 stalls

So it just covered those barns? I thought it was a bigger deal than that, but maybe not.

disappearingdan_akaplaya · #17 09-20-2007, 10:49 AM

well if hawthorne keeps going in the financial downward spiral its in dick D will be able to buy their debt from the bank also LOL and run a 8-9 month meet at arlington

GBBob · #18 09-20-2007, 10:51 AM

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well if hawthorne keeps going in the financial downward spiral its in dick D will be able to buy their debt from the bank also LOL and run a 8-9 month meet at arlington

Do you think if the GC was run at Arlington that Tafel would think twice about sending SS there?

ArlJim78 · #19 09-20-2007, 11:34 AM

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Disadvantaged? Maybe not, but it certainly wasn't like the Arlington dirt track either. It is better than Kee and Dmr, that is for sure.

why should it be the same as the arlington dirt? was there some magical correctness about how it played? honestly I'm not sure that in the end there was a huge difference in how it played. I'll check when I get home.

Arl plays different than Kee and Dmr because its a longer meet. if you haven't noticed by now when horses that haven't been training or running on poly run on it for the first time they get noticeably tired, especially cheaper horses. but as the meet goes on they adapt and the normal tendencies begin to take shape again, for example the dominance of horses that have good early speed.

brianwspencer · #20 09-20-2007, 11:37 AM

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Arl plays different than Kee and Dmr because its a longer meet. if you haven't noticed by now when horses that haven't been training or running on poly run on it for the first time they get noticeably tired, especially cheaper horses. but as the meet goes on they adapt and the normal tendencies begin to take shape again, for example the dominance of horses that have good early speed.

That's an interesting thing I never thought about -- since horses were tiring and stopping like piles of bricks for the first few weeks, and then the last 3/4 of the meet showed that it ended up being one of the fairest tracks around.