Bailey vs. Azeri

Indian Charlie · #1 09-18-2007, 10:56 PM

akinemod, lakeway, inside info, sardula, heavenly prize, sharp cat, go for wand, bayakoa and many more.

Cannon Shell · #2 09-18-2007, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

akinemod, lakeway, inside info, sardula, heavenly prize, sharp cat, go for wand, bayakoa and many more.

I'll take Azeri over those

Cannon Shell · #3 09-18-2007, 11:00 PM

For Justin

What would Azeri done about this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0izE...elated&search=

Indian Charlie · #4 09-18-2007, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I'll take Azeri over those

trust me man, of the ones i named, akinemod was probably the best one, before her illnesses and injuries plagued her.

her first time routing she won by 18 in what is still to this day one of the 2-3 highest beyer figs ever earned by a female horse routing.

lakeway too, after jones ran her sick in that one summer race and she almost died, she was never the same. i'd like to have seen azeri in her prime try to beat lakeway when she went 9f in around 145.4 as a 3yo, before her brush with death. that would have been a slaughter.

sardula was a freak too. i always wondered what she'd have done in the hands of someone other than mayberry.

Cannon Shell · #5 09-18-2007, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

trust me man, of the ones i named, akinemod was probably the best one, before her illnesses and injuries plagued her.

her first time routing she won by 18 in what is still to this day one of the 2-3 highest beyer figs ever earned by a female horse routing.

lakeway too, after jones ran her sick in that one summer race and she almost died, she was never the same. i'd like to have seen azeri in her prime try to beat lakeway when she went 9f in around 145.4 as a 3yo, before her brush with death. that would have been a slaughter.

sardula was a freak too. i always wondered what she'd have done in the hands of someone other than mayberry.

You are the typical modern day horseracing fan....taking potential and portraying it as success! You don't happen to own a breeding farm do you?

BTW I saw Lakeway and Sardula up close and personal. They were far from alltime greats like this....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGD77kgutGU

The Indomitable DrugS · #6 09-18-2007, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

They were far from alltime greats like this....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGD77kgutGU

While she was an all-time great....

Any race that features a horse going wire-to-wire on the old KEE dirt track, after being allowed an uncontested lead - is inadmissible evidence.

Just as it would be inadmissible evidence to show the five races Aaron Gryder rode her - four of which she lost - and use that as the basis of why she wasn't so great.

Cannon Shell · #7 09-18-2007, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

While she was an all-time great....

Any race that features a horse going wire-to-wire on the old KEE dirt track, after being allowed an uncontested lead - is inadmissible evidence.

Just as it would be inadmissible evidence to show the five races Aaron Gryder rode her - four of which she lost - and use that as the basis of why she wasn't so great.

ok

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ayl-3...elated&search=

blackthroatedwind · #8 09-18-2007, 11:31 PM

Thanks for the Go for Wand race Chuck. I watched a bunch of her races, unfortunately didn't find the Test, and it was nice to be reminded what a terrific horse she was. Seeing those fractions, and the way she ran, is just another sad reminder of what mediocrities we have masquerading as Grade 1 horses in that division right now. What a monster Go for Wand was.

The Indomitable DrugS · #9 09-18-2007, 11:34 PM

You guys want to see a real superstar filly....

Kiri - please post a few of those epic Ashado 2yo races I sent you!

Indian Charlie · #10 09-18-2007, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You are the typical modern day horseracing fan....taking potential and portraying it as success! You don't happen to own a breeding farm do you?

BTW I saw Lakeway and Sardula up close and personal. They were far from alltime greats like this....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGD77kgutGU

uh, yeah. sardula won the kentucky oaks (among others) and lakeway was a multiple grade 1 winner who beat the snot out of inside information in their lone race against each other prior to lakeway running sick.

akinemond, after losing her debut, won something like 7 in a row, all very easily, culminated by her 18 length win where she ran a blazing fast time and got a 118 or 119 bsf. she was so dominant in her previous races, drysdale actually chickened out with gorgeous (another filly that would have beaten azeri) and scratched her.

just to dispel any misguided opinions you have on those three horses and whether they were successes were more about merit or potential, I've done you the favor of posting here what each did.

SARDULA:

SARDULA,B,f,Storm Cat 2 10 6 3 0 882,460 (102) 56.65
North America 2 YO Record * 5 3 2 0 532,545 (102)
North America Turf Record 1 0 0 0 4,375 ( 88)
North America Dirt Sprints 3 3 0 0 214,450 (102)
North America Dirt Routes 6 3 3 0 663,635 (100)
DP = 7-7-9-0-3 DI = 2.47 CD = 0.58 AWD = 7.50
At 2 Won Del Mar Debutante S. -G2 (250,000), Hollywood Starlet S. -G1
(250,000), 2nd Breeders' Cup Juvenile Fillies S. -G1 (1,000,000), Oak
Leaf S. -G1 (200,000)
At 3 Won Kentucky Oaks -G1 (283,600), Santa Paula S. -L (106,000),
Princess S. -G2 (102,700), 2nd Hollywood Oaks -G1 (205,000)

lets see, her only race worse than 2nd was her lone turf start. she won the hollywood starlet and kentucky oaks, both grade 1s and the del mar debutante and princess stakes, both grade 2s. she ran 2nd in the bc juvie filly and 2nd in the hollywood oaks (in an insane time), both grade 1s.

Next is Lakeway, which I'll only include up to her last race as a 3yo, where she was run sick and nearly died.

LAKEWAY,B,f,Seattle Slew 3 14 7 3 3 965,330 (111) 48.43
North America 2 YO Record * 1 1 0 0 15,400 ( 96)
North America Dirt Sprints 3 2 0 1 52,400 (101)
North America Dirt Routes 11 5 3 2 912,930 (111)
North America Muddy/Sloppy 2 1 0 1 257,280 (111)
DP = 14-3-19-2-0 DI = 2.30 CD = 0.76 AWD = 7.93
At 3 Won Santa Anita Oaks -G1 (212,800), Hollywood Oaks -G1 (205,000),
Mother Goose S. -G1 (200,000), Las Virgenes S. -G1 (161,100), 2nd
Kentucky Oaks -G1 (283,600), Alabama S. -G1 (200,000)

Yeah, you're right. She wasn't very good at all. Four grade 1's as a three year old, a desperate nose loss in the ky oaks and a 2nd in the alabama in which she nearly died after the race (both losses were in grade 1's).
That 145.4 she ran 9f at hollywood wasn't really that astonishing now that i think about it.

Now Akinemod, who after that 18 length win early in her four year old year nearly died from colic, suffered injuries and more illnesses, and when finally making it back to the races something like 2 years later, was nowhere near what she was.

She lost her debut to a pretty useful filly (paper princess i think), then won 6 in a row (now that i've looked it up). she spent most of those races sprinting, but when routed in the el encino, a grade 2, she wins by 18 lengths in something like 1:41, with more ease than you'll see from a horse working out.

Cannon Shell · #11 09-18-2007, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

uh, yeah. sardula won the kentucky oaks (among others) and lakeway was a multiple grade 1 winner who beat the snot out of inside information in their lone race against each other prior to lakeway running sick.

akinemond, after losing her debut, won something like 7 in a row, all very easily, culminated by her 18 length win where she ran a blazing fast time and got a 118 or 119 bsf. she was so dominant in her previous races, drysdale actually chickened out with gorgeous (another filly that would have beaten azeri) and scratched her.

just to dispel any misguided opinions you have on those three horses and whether they were successes were more about merit or potential, I've done you the favor of posting here what each did.

SARDULA:

SARDULA,B,f,Storm Cat 2 10 6 3 0 882,460 (102) 56.65
North America 2 YO Record * 5 3 2 0 532,545 (102)
North America Turf Record 1 0 0 0 4,375 ( 88)
North America Dirt Sprints 3 3 0 0 214,450 (102)
North America Dirt Routes 6 3 3 0 663,635 (100)
DP = 7-7-9-0-3 DI = 2.47 CD = 0.58 AWD = 7.50
At 2 Won Del Mar Debutante S. -G2 (250,000), Hollywood Starlet S. -G1
(250,000), 2nd Breeders' Cup Juvenile Fillies S. -G1 (1,000,000), Oak
Leaf S. -G1 (200,000)
At 3 Won Kentucky Oaks -G1 (283,600), Santa Paula S. -L (106,000),
Princess S. -G2 (102,700), 2nd Hollywood Oaks -G1 (205,000)

lets see, her only race worse than 2nd was her lone turf start. she won the hollywood starlet and kentucky oaks, both grade 1s and the del mar debutante and princess stakes, both grade 2s. she ran 2nd in the bc juvie filly and 2nd in the hollywood oaks (in an insane time), both grade 1s.

Next is Lakeway, which I'll only include up to her last race as a 3yo, where she was run sick and nearly died.

LAKEWAY,B,f,Seattle Slew 3 14 7 3 3 965,330 (111) 48.43
North America 2 YO Record * 1 1 0 0 15,400 ( 96)
North America Dirt Sprints 3 2 0 1 52,400 (101)
North America Dirt Routes 11 5 3 2 912,930 (111)
North America Muddy/Sloppy 2 1 0 1 257,280 (111)
DP = 14-3-19-2-0 DI = 2.30 CD = 0.76 AWD = 7.93
At 3 Won Santa Anita Oaks -G1 (212,800), Hollywood Oaks -G1 (205,000),
Mother Goose S. -G1 (200,000), Las Virgenes S. -G1 (161,100), 2nd
Kentucky Oaks -G1 (283,600), Alabama S. -G1 (200,000)

Yeah, you're right. She wasn't very good at all. Four grade 1's as a three year old, a desperate nose loss in the ky oaks and a 2nd in the alabama in which she nearly died after the race (both losses were in grade 1's).
That 145.4 she ran 9f at hollywood wasn't really that astonishing now that i think about it.

Now Akinemod, who after that 18 length win early in her four year old year nearly died from colic, suffered injuries and more illnesses, and when finally making it back to the races something like 2 years later, was nowhere near what she was.

She lost her debut to a pretty useful filly (paper princess i think), then won 6 in a row (now that i've looked it up). she spent most of those races sprinting, but when routed in the el encino, a grade 2, she wins by 18 lengths in something like 1:41, with more ease than you'll see from a horse working out.

No one said that Sardula and Lakeway were not good horses but they took turns beating the same bad group of fillies in the same year. The KY oaks that year was an awful field with the exception of the 2 noted horses. To be an alltime great you must at least be the best filly of your crop, neither of which Sardula or Lakeway was. I never said one negative word about them but the likes of Go for Wand, Bayakoa and Lady's Secret would have ripped them apart. And Azeri probably would have taken them too. As for the other horse....She never won any important races so why should she be included in the discussion?

pdrift1 · #12 09-18-2007, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

No one said that Sardula and Lakeway were not good horses but they took turns beating the same bad group of fillies in the same year. The KY oaks that year was an awful field with the exception of the 2 noted horses. To be an alltime great you must at least be the best filly of your crop, neither of which Sardula or Lakeway was. I never said one negative word about them but the likes of Go for Wand, Bayakoa and Lady's Secret would have ripped them apart. And Azeri probably would have taken them too. As for the other horse....She never won any important races so why should she be included in the discussion?

clear out your mailbox!!!!!! lol

Indian Charlie · #13 09-19-2007, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

No one said that Sardula and Lakeway were not good horses but they took turns beating the same bad group of fillies in the same year. The KY oaks that year was an awful field with the exception of the 2 noted horses. To be an alltime great you must at least be the best filly of your crop, neither of which Sardula or Lakeway was. I never said one negative word about them but the likes of Go for Wand, Bayakoa and Lady's Secret would have ripped them apart. And Azeri probably would have taken them too. As for the other horse....She never won any important races so why should she be included in the discussion?

yeah, that crop that sardula and lakeway was in sort of reminds me of recent crops of fillies.

inside information, heavenly prize, phone chatter (granted, she didnt do anything after her bc win) along with sardula and lakeway, that's a pretty awful crop of fillies. you might be the only person who follows racing to think that was a bad group of fillies in that crop. most would say that was one of the best crops ever, at least in recent memory.

as to akinemod, if melair can count, then so too can akinemod. after all, the only race of significance that melair won was a one turn mile against snow chief and southern halo. the greatness of her performance that day cannot be described, much in the same way akinemod's performance was in her 18 length win.

in case you've never seen her, i'll post this clip of her here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXknPEC9GCU

#14 09-18-2007, 11:02 PM

If Azeri just had a trainer that tried to move her along instead of going after some idiotic winning string. Ruined her. Bored her running against all those inferior females.

Fantastic horse that never got to show how good she really was. She could have whupped up on so many of the best males. By the time she was with D.Wayne her best days were gone imo.

Cannon Shell · #15 09-18-2007, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by pgardn

If Azeri just had a trainer that tried to move her along instead of going after some idiotic winning string. Ruined her. Bored her running against all those inferior females.

Fantastic horse that never got to show how good she really was. She could have whupped up on so many of the best males. By the time she was with D.Wayne her best days were gone imo.

Pure speculation...

#16 09-18-2007, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Pure speculation...

This thread is a large batch of speculation big guy...
But its fun.

Damn good horse. And I did get to see the others run.
Azeri is up with the best. And yes, thats speculation.

Cannon Shell · #17 09-18-2007, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by pgardn

This thread is a large batch of speculation big guy...
But its fun.

Damn good horse. And I did get to see the others run.
Azeri is up with the best. And yes, thats speculation.

You gleaned this information from her series of allowance victories that were masquerading as graded stakes?