1983 KD post parade

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by zippyneedsawin

WOW, what a red board! LOL.. J/K

Hee hee hee hee.

Unfortunately, I wasn't old enough to wager. I got a scratch off lottery ticket for picking the winner (no exotics wagering at Grandpa's- win bets only), and won $5.00. Seeing as how Sunny's Halo went off at 5/2, I was told it was appropriate. Although I also didn't understand what "5/2" meant.

[MISTERGEE]

what i noticed most was them saying how many had just run the week before, now all of a sudden they can only run a few times a year. what the hell happened?

[sumitas]

Sunny's Halo--- (Halo/Mostly Sunny-Sunny)
Desert Wine--- (Damascus/Anne Campbell-Never Bend)
Caveat--- (Cannonade/Cold Hearted-The Axe)
Slew O'Gold--- (Seattle Slew/Alluvial-Buckpasser)
Marfa --- (Foolish Pleasure/Gray Matter-Stratmat)
Play Fellow --- ( On The Sly/Play For Keeps-Run For nurse)
Pax In Bello--- (Hold Your Peace/Chicanery-Pretense)
Country Pine--- (His Majesty/Mountain Sunshine-Vaguely Noble)
Balboa Native*--- (Native/Royalty-Diamond Till-Model Fool)
Paris Prince*--- (Exclusive Native/Dancer's Countess-Northern Dancer)
Current Hope*--- (Little Current/Kahoolawe-Warfare)
Chumming--- (Alleged/Gulls Cry-Sea Bird)
Freezing Rain--- (It's Freezing/All's Well-Well Mannered)
My Mac--- (Minnesota Mac/ My Mom Nullah-My Dad George)
Explosive Wagon--- (Explodent/Gypsy Wagon-Conastoga)
Parfaitement--- (Halo/Double Axle-The Axe)
Highland Park*--- (Raise A Native/Old Goat-Olden Times)
Luv a Libra--- (Diplomat/Lip Talk-Assagai)
Law Talk--- (Wardlaw/Tellinoid-Captains Gig)
Total Departure*--- (Greek Answer/Lifestyle-Manifesto)

the * means the horse is tail male to either Northern Dancer or Raise A Native. I believe almost the whole field in this year's KD was tail male to Raise A Native or Northern Dancer which might give a clue that durability is taking a hit. It also shows that the crosses and inbreeding of Raise A Native/ and Northern Dancer are bred more today. So, as usual, the dam does have her 50% influence.

[sumitas]

The 2007 KD , for example;

Street Sence (Street Cry/Bedazzle-Dixieland Band) Mr Pospector/Northern Dancer cross. Native Dancer x4.

Hard Spun (Danzig/Turkish Tryst- Turkoman) Raise A Native/Northern Dancer cross. Native Dancer x 2.

Curlin (Smart Strike/Sheriffs Deputy- Deputy Minister) Mr Prospector/Northern Dancer cross. Native Dancer x 2.

Circular Quay (Thunder Gulch/Circle Of Life- Belong To Me) Mr Propspector/Northern Dancer cross. Raise A Native x 3. Native Dancer x 6.

Tiago (Pleasant Tap/Set Them Free- Stop The Music) Pleasant Colony/Hail To Reason crooss. Devoid of Northern Dancer, Mr Prospector.

**Play Fellow won the 1983 Travers.

[Pedigree Ann]

Ah, the famous 'Fighting Finish' of the '31 Derby.. No DQ, jocks equally at fault so they let the result stand. The winner was, by the way, the last maiden to win the Kentucky Derby

[Pedigree Ann]

Originally Posted by sumitas

the * means the horse is tail male to either Northern Dancer or Raise A Native. I believe almost the whole field in this year's KD was tail male to Raise A Native or Northern Dancer which might give a clue that durability is taking a hit. It also shows that the crosses and inbreeding of Raise A Native/ and Northern Dancer are bred more today. So, as usual, the dam does have her 50% influence.

Yet horses with the same sort of pedigrees have long careers at lower levels. Don't give me that ' they aren't running as hard' jive, either; slower horses run as hard as they can in their races, too. And it's hard to see how the Y-chromosome (the only gene a colt is guaranteed to receive from the tail-male ancestor) could have such an effect on soundness. You are trying to find a simple explanation to a complex situation.

I blame trainers as much as breeders; young horses don't get as much 'flat' work as they used to - miles of trotting and galloping frequently if not daily. The trainers give them speed works, a turn around the track, and then back to the barn. Not the way to increase bone density and muscle tone. The distance horses from this type of trainer are doing it on their genes, not their training.