Shakespeare

[ultracapper]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

good luck, you'll need it if you're trying to get Kip Deville to win the BC mile.
If the shorter stretch at Monmouth benefits him so much, why did he recently place third on that track in a grade 3 race?

that was at 1 1/16th mile. kip deville is a much superior horse at a mile than 1 1/16th. he's proven that beyond question 1 mile is his best distance.

i doubt shakespeare has fired his best shot. his first win was a 1 turn mile, which made me question him, and the woodbine race really didn't set up pace wise for him. the race set up much better for kip deville than shakespeare. kip sat comfy on a fair to moderate pace. shakespeare did get the hedge, but he was a ton more horse than the 3 he passed. i doubt any of those 3 could turn the tables on him. just look at the difference between shakespeare and art master in the past two races. shakespeare stepped up markedly from 1st to 2nd out, and you have to think there is more horse there. he looks very good right now. very tough.

i liked kip in the woodbine. i think dehoss and btw could vouch for that, and i was excited how he ran. he got beat by a better horse, a horse that looks special.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by ultracapper

that was at 1 1/16th mile. kip deville is a much superior horse at a mile than 1 1/16th. he's proven that beyond question 1 mile is his best distance.

i doubt shakespeare has fired his best shot. his first win was a 1 turn mile, which made me question him, and the woodbine race really didn't set up pace wise for him. the race set up much better for kip deville than shakespeare. kip sat comfy on a fair to moderate pace. shakespeare did get the hedge, but he was a ton more horse than the 3 he passed. i doubt any of those 3 could turn the tables on him. just look at the difference between shakespeare and art master in the past two races. shakespeare stepped up markedly from 1st to 2nd out, and you have to think there is more horse there. he looks very good right now. very tough.

i liked kip in the woodbine. i think dehoss and btw could vouch for that, and i was excited how he ran. he got beat by a better horse, a horse that looks special.

oh I also liked Kip in that race, it looked like he was ready to fire a good one. I liked Kip, Shakespeare and Remarkable News. I was leary of trusting Shakespeare more being second start off of that very long layoff. But yes I agree, he was much the best as it wasn't any type of a gift set-up for him.

on the 1 1/16 race at Monmouth, 200 yards more than a mile, less than six seconds. pretty short difference in distance to distinguish and claim a horse much better at one than the other. I agree that distance is not his friend but i don't know that he is that limited that he cant win a race at 1 1/16 miles.

[ultracapper]

you wouldn't think 220 yards means that much, but just look at his record. it screams, in his instance anyway, that 220 yards means everything.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by ultracapper

you wouldn't think 220 yards means that much, but just look at his record. it screams, in his instance anyway, that 220 yards means everything.

i see only one 1 1/16 mile race in his pp's, and it was one of his best lifetime figures, as good a figure as all but one of his mile races.

now his 9 and 10 furlongs attempts were disasters, so yeah i do agree that he has limitations.