Why Super Frolic matters

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I think what he said was something some feel, but don't have the balls to say. I don't think his post was hutful, or trying to be a wiseass. Look, I get the emotional attachment to an animal and such, but it seems a tad unrealistic that someone can have such a strong emotional attachement to seemingly every horse that breaks down.

yeah it really takes balls to rag on someone pouring their heart out about a horse. you are way overstating the reality when you say that its unrealistic to have such emotional attachment to EVERY horse that breaks down. MMSC has the angels thread in esoteric that simply acknowledges which horses have passed on, not because there is a great emotional attachment to each one. its more as an informational thing. I also think she has made a few threads here about certain horses that were special to her. I can see someone not getting it, or not having any interest in it. what are you implying when you say you find it a tad unrealistic, that its being faked? what?
some people come at this game a different way and its not all about speed figures and trifectas

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

yeah it really takes balls to rag on someone pouring their heart out about a horse. you are way overstating the reality when you say that its unrealistic to have such emotional attachment to EVERY horse that breaks down. MMSC has the angels thread in esoteric that simply acknowledges which horses have passed on, not because there is a great emotional attachment to each one. its more as an informational thing. I also think she has made a few threads here about certain horses that were special to her. I can see someone not getting it, or not having any interest in it. what are you implying when you say you find it a tad unrealistic, that its being faked? what?
some people come at this game a different way and its not all about speed figures and trifectas

I don't think a memorial thread to Super F is anything but good. He ran a lot of races, won a good sum of money and ran against the best there was, holding his own.

If there is room for dozens of threads and thousands of posts about Bernardini, a horse who was very good for a VERY short period of time, there certainly is a place for a comment about Super Frolic.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

I don't think a memorial thread to Super F is anything but good. He ran a lot of races, won a good sum of money and ran against the best there was, holding his own.

If there is room for dozens of threads and thousands of posts about Bernardini, a horse who was very good for a VERY short period of time, there certainly is a place for a comment about Super Frolic.

no its okay to have countless pages of babble and nonsense and sarcasm about any and all subjects, but don't dare start a thread saying that you liked a horse and felt he was good for the sport. that kind of crap is totally out of bounds on here.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

but don't dare start a thread saying that you liked a horse and felt he was good for the sport.

Actual, in total, Super Frolic's story is not particularly good for the sport. Here's an overachieving but ultimately outclassed stakes horse who earned $1 million and was retired to stud. But because there was not enough initial interest("...we felt the numbers still wouldn’t give him his best chance to succeed as a sire”), he was put back in training. Then he fatally broke down after just 3 races while running at 2nd and 3rd tier tracks.

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Let's cut MMSC some slack...she is genuine with her feelings when it comes to the thoroughbred horse.
A lot more people should be too.....



just my opinion.....

[largo1]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Actual, in total, Super Frolic's story is not particularly good for the sport. Here's an overachieving but ultimately outclassed stakes horse who earned $1 million and was retired to stud. But because there was not enough initial interest("...we felt the numbers still wouldn’t give him his best chance to succeed as a sire”), he was put back in training. Then he fatally broke down after just 3 races while running at 2nd and 3rd tier tracks.

Great post, and so true. This could have so easily been a story about FunnyCide instead of Super Frolic. You're correct, it's not a good story for the sport. I'm not familiar with Super Frolic's breeding, but it is a shame that *so* () many breeders overlooked his soundness/hardiness that he wasn't even allowed to stand *one* season.?? Give me a break! I'm sad for the future of the sport.
***Suzanne***

[RolloTomasi]

"great post" and "dumbest post" comments in one thread.

I feel like Preston Wilson. And not cuz my uncle is my dad.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

"great post" and "dumbest post" comments in one thread.

I feel like Preston Wilson. And not cuz my uncle is my dad.

wait, your uncle is your dad??


Oh man Morty would have a field day with this.

[FGFan]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

"great post" and "dumbest post" comments in one thread.

I feel like Preston Wilson. And not cuz my uncle is my dad.

What are you from the south too.....

[cmorioles]

I true pioneer in the game dies, Richard Carter, and it gets not even a handful of replies here. A friend of someone else dies, same thing, before some clown starts diverting it and making jokes. A horse dies, and now the Gestapo is out to straighten out us alleged horse haters? Something seems a little out of wack here.

[SentToStud]

I readily admit not knowing who Richard Carter is. I certainly do not know how he pioneered the sport. In fact, I never heard of him. But, may he RIP.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

I readily admit not knowing who Richard Carter is. I certainly do not know how he pioneered the sport. In fact, I never heard of him. But, may he RIP.

Tom Ainslie. I meant to add that in but forgot.

[largo1]

"As a lover of horses, catastrophic breakdowns will always bring tears to my eyes. I understand how some of you might feel about that because some of us are horse players and some of us are horse lovers. I think it was blackthroatedwind who told me that I wasn't a real bettor, and he's right. I don't suppose I ever will be, but I do think there's a place in horseracing for both kinds of people. I'm not going to look down upon those who don't feel the same way about it as I do, but understand that there are those like me (and MMSC) that feel an emotional attachment to these animals because they died doing something that WE made them do. I love this sport and won't ever stop watching it, but I still feel like we owe some kind of respect for the animals that make HORSEracing what it's all about."

Thanks so much for this well-reasoned post. As I read this thread, my blood was beginning to boil and I felt sick to my stomach at the majority of the responses. You said *exactly* what I am feeling but am too disgusted to verbalize.
Suzanne(and, YES, the breed could have used the genes of a hard-knocking horse like Super Frolic. The breed is being destroyed by the market for a faster and more precocious horse)
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[largo1]

Not only are humans not euthanized for breaking a leg, but they CHOSE to participate in an activity which could be harmful. The horses don't have a choice. No one asked them if they'd rather be in training everyday and racing at 2 or eating grass in a big pasture.

Suzanne

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by largo1

The horses don't have a choice. No one asked them if they'd rather be in training everyday and racing at 2 or eating grass in a big pasture.

Suzanne

Is this the PETA board?
I'm going to ask the next racehorse I see if they would like to quit racing. If they say yes, to the pasture they go. I'll rescue them myself.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

I true pioneer in the game dies, Richard Carter, and it gets not even a handful of replies here. A friend of someone else dies, same thing, before some clown starts diverting it and making jokes. A horse dies, and now the Gestapo is out to straighten out us alleged horse haters? Something seems a little out of wack here.

While I have respect for humans dying as well (been around my fair share of that), I think the reason some people feel more empathetic to the horses is because they are actually euthanized. The last time I checked, we weren't euthanizing humans for running in races and breaking their legs. Nevertheless, I agree that people shouldn't be making jokes on the same thread as the one you mentioned above. It shows a complete lack of respect for the dead...

RIP to Mr. Carter.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

While I have respect for humans dying as well (been around my fair share of that), I think the reason some people feel more empathetic to the horses is because they are actually euthanized. The last time I checked, we weren't euthanizing humans for running in races and breaking their legs. Nevertheless, I agree that people shouldn't be making jokes on the same thread as the one you mentioned above. It shows a complete lack of respect for the dead...

RIP to Mr. Carter.

Are you saying that a horse's death is more tragic than a person's death?

You clearly cant be this insane.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by stonegossard

Are you saying that a horse's death is more tragic than a person's death?

You clearly cant be this insane.

You clearly can't read. Please don't put words in my mouth.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

You clearly can't read. Please don't put words in my mouth.

Ok Miss Manson.

[largo1]

f you did ask them, what kind of a response do you think you would get?
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Uh, DOH! I would venture to say that 99% of all horses would chose grazing in a pasture over being in training at the racetrack. Was this a serious question or do you *really* not know a damn thing about horses?

And to cmorioles, you do that. I hope you have a lot of pasture. No, this is not the PETA board. It's a board for the sport of horseracing, which includes those who just love horses and those who just love gambling. It's kind of like a "checks and balances" system. If either side gets all the power, horseracing is dead. And oh yeah, some of us love horses and gambling. It can be done. Have a little compassion.

Suzanne