Why Super Frolic matters

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

While I never like to see a horse break down, do we need these eulogies every time a horse breaks down? Dogs die, bugs die, horses die, even people die. How can a horse duck competition? Is he going to hide on race day?

I'm sure I'll come off as a bad guy, but this whole thing seems over the top to me.

just ignore it then if its so troublesome for you. all of these eulogies that you find so objectionable amount to probably less than 1% of what is posted on here.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

just ignore it then if its so troublesome for you. all of these eulogies that you find so objectionable amount to probably less than 1% of what is posted on here.

You don't really believe this....do you?

People post thoughts and others have a right to post their thoughts. Sure, they can ignore whatever they wish, but they can also respond as they see fit. Surely you've disagreed with posts here before and then chosen not to ignore them. Why should it be different this time?

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

You don't really believe this....do you?

People post thoughts and others have a right to post their thoughts. Sure, they can ignore whatever they wish, but they can also respond as they see fit. Surely you've disagreed with posts here before and then chosen not to ignore them. Why should it be different this time?

where did I imply that he doesn't have the right to post his thoughts?

nothing is different this time. he expressed a thought and so did I.

I do object to others at times, but for the most part choose to ignore most of it. I certainly wouldn't object to people who get emotionally involved with horses and therefore need an outlet to express that emotion when they go down.

the last thing you need when you're hurting is for some wiseass who comes on with the "its like a bug dying" stuff.

to some its not like a bug dying. I may not feel the same for every horse in every situation but there have been times when I was deeply hurt. you or others may not be hurt and that is fine. by why choose to object to THAT issue? is it really so horribly inconvenient?

[sumitas]

My condolences to all close to the horse. It is always a shame when this happens. In this case in particluar because he had raced quite a while, was retired, and then brought back.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

the last thing you need when you're hurting is for some wiseass who comes on with the "its like a bug dying" stuff.

to some its not like a bug dying. I may not feel the same for every horse in every situation but there have been times when I was deeply hurt. you or others may not be hurt and that is fine. by why choose to object to THAT issue? is it really so horribly inconvenient?

Well, the poster who started this thread seems to hurt for every horse that gets injured, or worse, and while she is certainly entitled to that sentiment, it is hardly surprising that others have picked up on the repetitive series of posts of this ilk.

Honestly, I posted about a racetrack friend of mine who passed away and some nitwit chose to turn the thread into something else entirely. His thoughts didn't diminish my sorrow. You post on the internet and you get what you get.

[Rootdog1]

I think the fact she honors each horse with a thread keeps the ugly side of the sport in the forefront, which I assume is why you get a diverse reaction. I personally think it is good, to keep a memory of those that have suffered, but I can see why there are people who would rather not see this side of the sport on a daily basis.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Well, the poster who started this thread seems to hurt for every horse that gets injured, or worse, and while she is certainly entitled to that sentiment, it is hardly surprising that others have picked up on the repetitive series of posts of this ilk.

Honestly, I posted about a racetrack friend of mine who passed away and some nitwit chose to turn the thread into something else entirely. His thoughts didn't diminish my sorrow. You post on the internet and you get what you get.

it can be maudlin, but then again, it ought to be obvious what this thread would contain, so easy to skip it....

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Danzig

it can be maudlin, but then again, it ought to be obvious what this thread would contain, so easy to skip it....

You think everyone knew that Super Frolic broke down at some irrelevant outpost late on a Saturday evening?

[FGFan]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

You think everyone knew that Super Frolic broke down at some irrelevant outpost late on a Saturday evening?

Might be a new track but not going to stay "irrelevant" when they give out almost 1 million in purse money on one day. Also it was televised on TVG, and the masters 2 races later was on ESPN, hard to miss what happened. So yes, most knew Super Frolic had been pulled up.

By seeing the amount of chatter on the forums, he had a lot of fans that are going to miss him.
Like the others said, if you don't like the thread don't read it.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

You think everyone knew that Super Frolic broke down at some irrelevant outpost late on a Saturday evening?

my 'it' was the the type of thread in general, not super frolic in particular. i had no problem whatsoever with this thread.
as for whether everyone knew, well i don't know. but i do know an earlier thread was posted saying he had broken down.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Well, the poster who started this thread seems to hurt for every horse that gets injured, or worse, and while she is certainly entitled to that sentiment, it is hardly surprising that others have picked up on the repetitive series of posts of this ilk.

Honestly, I posted about a racetrack friend of mine who passed away and some nitwit chose to turn the thread into something else entirely. His thoughts didn't diminish my sorrow. You post on the internet and you get what you get.

actually I thought later about your thread, and was going to use that as an example. It was obviously someone you knew and had some feeling for.
I saw your thread early on and didn't see where anyone had messed it up but I do believe it is somewhat the same as this instance. Not everyone knew about that guy so I'm sure it had different meaning to different people. those that knew him where probably touched and compelled to say something. Those that didn't know him it was more like information and its hard to feel one way or another. But it is certainly not okay for some jagoff to ruin the thread by posting some crap or to question YOUR sincerity. If someone did that to your thread then it was indeed wrong. It is the internet and you can't control what people say, but that doesn't make it right.

Most things posted are fair game for dispute, but a simple thread that someone makes telling why they liked a particular horse and felt it was good for the sport hardly seems like the type of subject that should bring people out of the woodwork to disagree.

it is simply not true that a thread like this is repetitive. it is very rare actually. the person who started the thread maintains a couple of threads that are a service for people to know when horses are lost or unaccounted for. they are repetitive by nature since this is an on going event. anyone who has spent time on here knows the names of those threads and can simply ignore them.

[The Bid]

This particular horse breaking down is disturbing. I dont like the eulogies, but this horse certainly deserved better than being brought back to race just to be put down. It adds a little to the disappointment because he had done so much. 4 months ago the horse was where he belonged. Retired and enjoying life.

[FGFan]

Originally Posted by The Bid

This particular horse breaking down is disturbing. I dont like the eulogies, but this horse certainly deserved better than being brought back to race, just to be put down. It adds a little to the disapointment because he had done so much. 4 months ago the horse was where he belonged. Retired and enjoying life.

For the most part the eulogies are confined to the Angels thread.

I think your comment of finding it disturbing hit the nail on the head.....and has generated a lot of chatter on many forums.
It goes back to connections, surfaces, among other issues, breeding shed, retirements, etc, but mainly controversy surrounding the trainer.

And while yes I absolutely agree he was not one of the "top level" horses, he was a horse that many people knew about due to his competition record. I liked him and I'm sorry to see him gone.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I think what he said was something some feel, but don't have the balls to say. I don't think his post was hutful, or trying to be a wiseass. Look, I get the emotional attachment to an animal and such, but it seems a tad unrealistic that someone can have such a strong emotional attachement to seemingly every horse that breaks down.

Every person is different... it breaks my hurt every time I read about another one too.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I think what he said was something some feel, but don't have the balls to say. I don't think his post was hutful, or trying to be a wiseass. Look, I get the emotional attachment to an animal and such, but it seems a tad unrealistic that someone can have such a strong emotional attachement to seemingly every horse that breaks down.

not a strong attachment to every individual i would think, but i certainly have a strong attachment to horses in general, and it's dammed depressing to see one lose his life while trying to make his humans happy. it's also depressing to have people only worry about whether they hit the ex or not in that race. i think it's a shame super frolic was lost, especially considering he was retired to supposed greener pastures--but they weren't quite GREEEN enough for his owners...
but, we all know that this is part of the sport we choose to follow. and certainly i would expect it to touch the owners and trainer, groom, etc than the general public.
then again, for anyone to presume to know what someone else is feeling, or the depths of that feeling....well, i don't see how you can. to each his own i suppose. altho the cold, complete lack of empathy is something i will never understand.

[NoChanceToDance]

Originally Posted by Danzig

not a strong attachment to every individual i would think, but i certainly have a strong attachment to horses in general, and it's dammed depressing to see one lose his life while trying to make his humans happy. it's also depressing to have people only worry about whether they hit the ex or not in that race. i think it's a shame super frolic was lost, especially considering he was retired to supposed greener pastures--but they weren't quite GREEEN enough for his owners...
but, we all know that this is part of the sport we choose to follow. and certainly i would expect it to touch the owners and trainer, groom, etc than the general public.
then again, for anyone to presume to know what someone else is feeling, or the depths of that feeling....well, i don't see how you can. to each his own i suppose. altho the cold, complete lack of empathy is something i will never understand.

Very well put, Danzig

Horses do not run to make humans happy, they run because they are genetically engineered to. Today, 2007, horses are faster than they have ever been. Feed programs, training, and breeding for speed have all lead to faster animals and drugs, illegal or not, have put a great strain on the thoroughbred.

I feel sorry whenever one goes down and Super Frolic breaking both sesamoids makes no one happy. Treating a horse as the individual it is, can lead to sadness, as breakdowns will always occur. Using terms such as nag, glue, etc. irritate me, but I take great satisfaction that I often "tax" those people at the window. Super Frolic was not a great horse, but he was an individual, and he will be missed. Condolences to his connections. BBB

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by bellsbendboy

Horses do not run to make humans happy, they run because they are genetically engineered to. Today, 2007, horses are faster than they have ever been. Feed programs, training, and breeding for speed have all lead to faster animals and drugs, illegal or not, have put a great strain on the thoroughbred.

I feel sorry whenever one goes down and Super Frolic breaking both sesamoids makes no one happy. Treating a horse as the individual it is, can lead to sadness, as breakdowns will always occur. Using terms such as nag, glue, etc. irritate me, but I take great satisfaction that I often "tax" those people at the window. Super Frolic was not a great horse, but he was an individual, and he will be missed. Condolences to his connections. BBB

The drive by "I'm a winner" post. You are the master.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

The drive by "I'm a whiner" post. You are the master.

FTFY.

[The Bid]

Sumitas, do you walk around with a shoe in your mouth daily?