Question For Saratoga Folks

[Slewbopper]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

What are you not getting about there not being enough room? Where are you going to put the 30 or so thousand people that would normally be in the backyard, but won't because it's 40 degrees?

Ain't gonna be any warmer inside the facility

[boswd]

The weather isn't the issue. They've held it in Chicago, and Canada for pete's sake. The risk of a cold weather blast would be no greater at Saratoga than it would be a Belmont or Monmouth.

They have plenty of space to hold out. Hell they've held it Lone Star Park which is as small of a venue you can get The no room and the weather is all BS.

The bottom line is to why they haven't held it a Saratoga is NYRA doesn't feel it would be worth the effort to strip down Belmont of all the equipment and ship it back up to Saratoga just for one day when they have everything all set up and ready to go at Belmont. That is the ONLY reason why Saratoga hasn't hosted.

There maybe a time in the future where Saratoga may host it, sort of Tribute sort of thing, kind of like when Fenway hosted the AllStar Game. I see that happening but you'll never see Saratoga in the rotation.

[boswd]

That's nonsense, also as pointed out the place has held in excess of 50,000 on non spinner Travers Day with the last huge outing was when Point Given ran and that had something like 61,000. The backyard area is a huge plus in Saratoga's favor. You act like eveyone is going to be huddled around garbage cans with a lit fire in it. It's not held in January, it's either the last weekend in October or the first in Nov. The weather is not the issue.

The average attendance at the Breeders Cup is around 50,000 people. Saratoga has and can handle that. 150,000 people do not show up to the BC.

It's all about logistics with tearing down the equipment that they just took down at the begining of Sept and lugging it all the way back upstate and then doing it allover again to go back down to Belmont. Just for one day.

[saratogabrit]

Originally Posted by boswd

That's nonsense, also as pointed out the place has held in excess of 50,000 on non spinner Travers Day with the last huge outing was when Point Given ran and that had something like 61,000. The backyard area is a huge plus in Saratoga's favor. You act like eveyone is going to be huddled around garbage cans with a lit fire in it. It's not held in January, it's either the last weekend in October or the first in Nov. The weather is not the issue.

The average attendance at the Breeders Cup is around 50,000 people. Saratoga has and can handle that. 150,000 people do not show up to the BC.

It's all about logistics with tearing down the equipment that they just took down at the begining of Sept and lugging it all the way back upstate and then doing it allover again to go back down to Belmont. Just for one day.

What the weather will do is in the lap of gods but what you appear to be missing is that a completely different crowd would go to a Saratoga Breeders' Cup than attends Travers day.

The number of locals that attend the day/s would drop dramatically-rain,sun or snow-as they won't pay the price of entrance/seats that the 10,000+ visitors from overseas and the thousands of North American racefans need.

And where will everyone stay-the meet works because hundreds of people either vacate their homes or rent to track people in-between Skidmore and Navy lets. And how will people get there?

[ARyan]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I really don't get what you are missing here. I live here. Trust me, NO ONE will be in the backyard when it's 30-40 degrees. Sure Saratoga can accomodate 50-60 thousand, because most are in the backyard, because it is the summer. You act as if it's not that cold in late October, early Novemeber.

I am sure if they felt it was worth it, they could run a weekend meet, like Monmouth is doing and Gulfstream used to when they held the BC. It's all about space and weather, combined. Just say it is 30-40 degrees. Do you really think anyone will be in the backyard? And if they are not in the backyard, where are they going to go?

http://www.weather.com/weather/wxcli...87?from=search
http://www.weather.com/weather/wxcli...?climoMonth=10

Explain to me how you come up with 30 to 40 degree weather on an average Late October - Early November day? Please, show me? The average daytime highs are right around 54-58 degrees. Unless they plan on having the first night run BC, you are dead wrong about the weather.

I do not think the BC will ever come to Saratoga, but your reasoning is beyond wrong.

For further comparison;

http://www.weather.com/weather/wxcli...Y1287&clocid2=

[ARyan]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Learn how to read. I never said the average is 30-40 degrees. I used it as an example. I am also not so sure how reliable those graphs are. Average high for July and August was 81-83 degrees. I was at the track at least 20 times this year. It might have been that once or twice. The rest of the time it was 90 or so.

Either way, my point is and always has been the weather combined with the fact that there is no room is why it will never come here. It's not an issue in the summer and wouldn't be if this was Florida, because people can hang in the backyard. However when it is 54-58 LOL, or maybe, just maybe it's one of those rare days where the temp is under the average, where do you think people can go? Other than home...

The graphs must be unreliable; they are only published by the National Weather Association.

You used an example that was wrong, very wrong. Sorry that you do not like facts used to point out the falsehoods you use as fact in your arguments.

I am not disagreeing that Saratoga will not get a BC. I just feel that the reasons are more then weather related. I do not feel weather is the only reason, or the most pertinent reason.

My vote remains the same...Kentucky Downs.

[Danzig]

i would think that if the powers that be thought saratoga was do-able, the bc would have been there by now.
maybe nyra doesn't want it there. i mean, for what? belmont can handle the crowd much better. saratoga is excellent for the time of year it's open, and for what it does.

[ARyan]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

What fact did I present? I said say it is....That is using something as fact? You were at Saratoga this summer I'm sure. Was it ever in the 90's? And how am I very wrong? Am I wrong that there is no room for the people to hang if it gets to be colder than 50 degrees? Please enlighten me.

It was, but I would not say with such a resound attitude that 90 degrees is the norm for the summer. Your statement was made in such an authoritative way, as to make those believe 30 to 40 degree days are the average.

I feel we both agree on this, I just feel there are more logical reasons to dispute why having the BC will not be run at Saratoga. You have touched on many of those, but continuing to argue the weather case is beyond tedious. I do not think that boswd understands why it is not feasible for Saratoga to host a BC. Harping on the weather only keeps him going. List the dozen other reasons it will never happen and maybe this arguement will fade away.

[boswd]

Originally Posted by ARyan

It was, but I would not say with such a resound attitude that 90 degrees is the norm for the summer. Your statement was made in such an authoritative way, as to make those believe 30 to 40 degree days are the average.

I feel we both agree on this, I just feel there are more logical reasons to dispute why having the BC will not be run at Saratoga. You have touched on many of those, but continuing to argue the weather case is beyond tedious. I do not think that boswd understands why it is not feasible for Saratoga to host a BC. Harping on the weather only keeps him going. List the dozen other reasons it will never happen and maybe this arguement will fade away.

The reason I think they won't host the BC is the simple fact that Belmont and Saratoga both share the same equipment and it just isn't feasable for NYRA to strip down Belmont again for just the weekend and then having to strip down Saratoga and move it all back to Belmont where it is already set up and ready to go.

[ARyan]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

The weather needs to be discussed, because it is a factor. I'm not a weatherman, but I've spent enough time at that track to know that 90 seems like the norm there. Especially with 30-40 thousand people. I also don't think it's way off kilter to suggest it might be 30-40 degrees on a given day come BC time. Which would be fine at a place like Belmont where there is ample room for people inside. Not at Saratoga and that is a fact. Which is what my point has been from the start.

I think the statement in bold is why I normally choose not to talk to you. You seem to think you know more then facts.

I tried to be nice and have a discussion with you. I even tried pointing out what I felt was some very poignant statements that you used that were not purely based on the weather. Its my fault for even trying. You know it all, everyone else is wrong.

Have a great day.

[saratogabrit]

The weather wouldn't be a problem. Late fall is beautiful up there. It was 70 the day I closed on my condo-and that was November 30th.

The logistics would be a problem as Sniper pointed out that NYRA would have to move all the equipment up to Saratoga for a 2-4 day meet, there would be a shortage of local accomodation as none of the rentals available for the meet would be available and I wonder if Albany Airport could cope with the influx of visitors for the event. It's a completely different scenario to the meet. Then the bulk of the racefans are local and a minority fly in. At Breeders' Cup expect about 8,000 British and Irish fans (compared to just me and Kev) who will either have to change planes to get to Albany or take one of the 2 trains a day from New York that arrive in Saratoga-with not much prospect for increasing that as the line is single track.

[boswd]

the accomdations wouldn't be a problem because people who either owned hotels or vacation rentals would know about Saratoga hosting years in advance and would make proper arrangements.

As far as Albany airport in handling the influx of people flying in? This isn't the Super Bowl and the Ky Derby going on on the same day. That wouldn't be the issue at all.

[Linny]

Originally Posted by boswd

the accomdations wouldn't be a problem because people who either owned hotels or vacation rentals would know about Saratoga hosting years in advance and would make proper arrangements.

As far as Albany airport in handling the influx of people flying in? This isn't the Super Bowl and the Ky Derby going on on the same day. That wouldn't be the issue at all.

There would be a far higher percentage of out of towners for the BC than for the meet. Are there enough hotels etc for such a crowd for 3 days? I don't know.

[ARyan]

Originally Posted by Linny

There would be a far higher percentage of out of towners for the BC than for the meet. Are there enough hotels etc for such a crowd for 3 days? I don't know.

Albany is more then equipped to handle the crowd for the BC.

I don't know why I continue to play devil's advocate, as Saratoga will never get the BC.

[saratogabrit]

Originally Posted by boswd

the accomdations wouldn't be a problem because people who either owned hotels or vacation rentals would know about Saratoga hosting years in advance and would make proper arrangements.

As far as Albany airport in handling the influx of people flying in? This isn't the Super Bowl and the Ky Derby going on on the same day. That wouldn't be the issue at all.

People who own rental properties won't be able to accomodate anyone. Those that rent to Skidmore will be full, those who rent for the meet and then rent to people who work locally want to have someone renting within 1 week of the end of the meet and won't chuck em out so someone can come in for 2-3 nights in late October.

Local hotel accomodation is growing and the new Hampton Inn will be ready by the 2008 meet-but I honestly don't feel that there's enough rooms at the top end of the market in the area. Where would the Breeders' Cup HQ hotel be? Where would the Media Hotel be? I can think of 1 hotel maybe 2 that could be used-but of course with all those rooms out of commission-that the guests who normally stay there are forced to look for inferior accomodation further out of town.

[saratogabrit]

[quote=saratogabrit]People who own rental properties won't be able to accomodate anyone. Those that rent to Skidmore will be full, those who rent for the meet and then rent to people who work locally want to have someone renting within 1 week of the end of the meet and won't chuck em out so someone can come in for 2-3 nights in late October.

Local hotel accomodation is growing and the new Hampton Inn will be ready by the 2008 meet-but I honestly don't feel that there's enough rooms at the top end of the market in the area. Where would the Breeders' Cup HQ hotel be? Where would the Media Hotel be? I can think of 1 hotel maybe 2 that just aboutcould be used-but of course with all those rooms out of commission-that the guests who normally stay there are forced to look for inferior accomodation further out of town.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Huh? The weather is beautiful? I give up. You might have gotten lucky for one day when you closed on your condo, but for the most part it's cold. I'm sure Albany Airport would be fine.

The floor there aint that comfortable....trust me.

[boswd]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Huh? The weather is beautiful? I give up. You might have gotten lucky for one day when you closed on your condo, but for the most part it's cold. I'm sure Albany Airport would be fine.

And it's the Bahama's weather at Belmont or Chicago or Woodbine? I don't get it at all. I'm willing to bet the temp this year at Saratoga during the BC is 50 degrees. Were not talking winter gear here.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by boswd

And it's the Bahama's weather at Belmont or Chicago or Woodbine? I don't get it at all. I'm willing to bet the temp this year at Saratoga during the BC is 50 degrees. Were not talking winter gear here.

Those places have massive areas that are enclosed.....Saratoga has none.