DEE TEE: Sciacca joins; Will train NY-Bred..

[santana]

Mr Sciacca certainly isnt one of the top trainers in the NY area.
Although i coudnt tell you his percentage for the year, i am pretty sure it i dismal...
Maybe his day rate is cheaper than the rest of the better trainers ?

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by santana

Mr Sciacca certainly isnt one of the top trainers in the NY area.
Although i coudnt tell you his percentage for the year, i am pretty sure it i dismal...
Maybe his day rate is cheaper than the rest of the better trainers ?

Can you tell us anything, genius?

[santana]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Can you tell us anything, genius?

I can tell you alot of things for sure.......and Gary is not one of your better trainers in the NY AREA...
I could name so many other trainers, but why would i do that..I can leave that to you. I would imagine he wouldnt be one of your top 3 choices ....or would he?

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by santana

I can tell you alot of things for sure.......and Gary is not one of your better trainers in the NY AREA...
I could name so many other trainers, but why would i do that..I can leave that to you. I would imagine he wouldnt be one of your top 3 choices ....or would he?

Don't think you read the post by Steve - Gary has had success and I don't think you understand DeeTee Stables. We aren't hiring a trainer. We are bringing in a partner to train. There is a difference.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by santana

Mr Sciacca certainly isnt one of the top trainers in the NY area.
Although i coudnt tell you his percentage for the year, i am pretty sure it i dismal...
Maybe his day rate is cheaper than the rest of the better trainers ?

Normally I wouldn't respond to this or your snide answer to Cajun further in the thread, but I will say a couple of things... What is 'dismal' is the ignorance associated with the spouting of 'win percentage' as a measure of a trainers' 'ability' or 'qualifications'. It is the most laughable and amateurish stat quoted by anyone attempting to diminish the stature or prowess of a horseman, and demonstrates in its' employment only a total lack of comprehension of the game as it is exists right now.

And since we aren't charged a day rate by Chuck or Gary, that shows yet further lack of understanding of what Dee Tee is doing with our partnership. One of the most important aspects of our project is the desire to demonstrate that horsemanship is available to owners beyond Pletcher and Asmussen and the sundry other mega-stables currently en route to destroying the game.

Gary Sciacca bought Subordination for Seth Klarman (Klaravich) for $95,000 and won more than $1,200,000 with him and multiple Gr. I's. What has one of those other alleged 'superior NY horseman' done with the millions upon millions he's spent of Klaravich's money? You clearly have no idea what drives a trainer's career and makes him 'high percentage' at any one time or 'low percentage' at another. So while you're free to spout an unenlightened 'opinion' here, be aware that most will see right through it.

[trifecta124]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Normally I wouldn't respond to this or your snide answer to Cajun further in the thread, but I will say a couple of things... What is 'dismal' is the ignorance associated with the spouting of 'win percentage' as a measure of a trainers' 'ability' or 'qualifications'. It is the most laughable and amateurish stat quoted by anyone attempting to diminish the stature or prowess of a horseman, and demonstrates in its' employment only a total lack of comprehension of the game as it is exists right now.

And since we aren't charged a day rate by Chuck or Gary, that shows yet further lack of understanding of what Dee Tee is doing with our partnership. One of the most important aspects of our project is the desire to demonstrate that horsemanship is available to owners beyond Pletcher and Asmussen and the sundry other mega-stables currently en route to destroying the game.

Gary Sciacca bought Subordination for Seth Klarman (Klaravich) for $95,000 and won more than $1,200,000 with him and multiple Gr. I's. What has one of those other alleged 'superior NY horseman' done with the millions upon millions he's spent of Klaravich's money? You clearly have no idea what drives a trainer's career and makes him 'high percentage' at any one time or 'low percentage' at another. So while you're free to spout an unenlightened 'opinion' here, be aware that most will see right through it.

Go get em' Steve......Great reply.

I echo trifecta's sentiments.



I echo tri...ehh

[trifecta124]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

I echo trifecta's sentiments.



I echo tri...ehh

What Steve said was so eloquent I had to congratulate him twice

[robfla]

what some "high percentage" trainer's stats wont tell you is that they paid $600,000 for a horse ran him 6 times in two years, won 3 times.. thats 50%...

BUT what about the thousands to feed and vet the horse and the owner might be lucky to recover $100,000 in purses... still they are "batting 50%", but lost $525,000 on their client's horse.

For some high profile barns the win % # is a skewed number. Sure the trainer is making money, but is the client?

[philcski]

Originally Posted by santana

Mr Sciacca certainly isnt one of the top trainers in the NY area.
Although i coudnt tell you his percentage for the year, i am pretty sure it i dismal...
Maybe his day rate is cheaper than the rest of the better trainers ?

Saratoga 2007:
Pletcher 13/113 11.5%
Sciacca 3/40 7.5%

...and Sciacca's runners are about 1/10th the price of the vaunted Pletcher empire's. I'd say he's doing a damn good job.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by philcski

Saratoga 2007:
Pletcher 13/113 11.5%
Sciacca 3/40 7.5%

...and Sciacca's runners are about 1/10th the price of the vaunted Pletcher empire's. I'd say he's doing a damn good job.

Let's not forget Contessa. 13-for-149, good for a stellar 8.7%.

I found a picture of santana on his myspace page...

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

I found a picture of santana on his myspace page...

so what is the deal with the spray bottle and jar of vaseline?

[Sightseek]

More importantly than any trainer percentage or what have you is that Steve has done a beautiful job in finding exactly the right ground for all of us as a stable to thrive, learn and enjoy and I'm more than certain that he had done it yet again with this possible new edition.

Tonight I was reading an article in the Blood-Horse about the upcoming sale at Keeneland and they interviewed Cot Campbell, who as we all know has seen a great deal of success, yet his partnerships are founded on members having a 23.75% interest in a horse because he thinks "each partner should feel closely involved with the horses". Well you know what? We all own less than 2% of Sumwon and I feel very involved and connected with this partnership.

So in the end, this isn't about trainer percentages or ownership percentages, it's for the love of the game and these animals who give so much to us each and every day.

[trifecta124]

Sciacca has always been a great trainer in NY. I am happy to welcome him to the Dee Tee Stable.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Let's not forget Contessa. 13-for-149, good for a stellar 8.7%.

Sightseek's Personality Percentage breakdown:

Pletcher = .0000234%
Sciacca = 110%

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Cardus

You've done exactly what Steve admonished someone not to do: use the winning percentage as a measure of a trainer's ability or qualifications.

Contessa is exempt from the usual rules

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Cardus

You've done exactly what Steve admonished someone not to do: use the winning percentage as a measure of a trainer's ability or qualifications.

How do you know what I'm doing? I'm making the point that if you want to attack trainers with low percentages, you should start with guys like Pletcher and Contessa, who inarguably oversee better stock than Sciacca.

[docicu3]

Time for bed kids there's school in the morning....."g'night all" here's hoping "Deep Dish" is live yet again in two years as a DT purchase he trains wins one of the 3 dozzen BC races that will be run by that time with the stable donating a million to combat inhumane treatment of horses.

[sumitas]

I like the mission of Dee Tee Stable to provide low cost ownership opportunities of fine horses. It's not a matter of, as Santana said, just buy 6 expensive horses throw their s**t on a wall and hope some sticks enough to cover expenses for the rest. Reasonably priced horses, low overhead, that have great training, can win. I am pleased to be a member of a board comprided of lovers of the game, that have seized the opportunity to participate. And we all share the same dreams while keeping our feet planted squarely on the ground.

Ok, here's some good trainer bios: Mr. Sciacca is on pg 40.
http://nyra.com/Belmont/mediaguide/0...ersSection.pdf