Is Manning the best ever?

GPK · #1 09-07-2007, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Montana was the most overrated QB ever. Anyone could have been successful in that offense.

and I could be successful in QBing the Colts offense...

SniperSB23 · #2 09-07-2007, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK

and I could be successful in QBing the Colts offense...

I don't agree. Harrison and Wayne are certainly very nice receivers but Manning doesn't even make them work to make the catch. He lays the ball in the perfect spot everytime such that any receiver could make the catch. If he ever went down to injury I think you would see a major dropoff in Harrison and Wayne's numbers.

GPK · #3 09-07-2007, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23

I don't agree. Harrison and Wayne are certainly very nice receivers but Manning doesn't even make them work to make the catch. He lays the ball in the perfect spot everytime such that any receiver could make the catch. If he ever went down to injury I think you would see a major dropoff in Harrison and Wayne's numbers.

and you have never seen me throw a football either...

Pop Warner MVP for 10 years in a row

There are some advantages to being small

Peyton is good....great even. Best ever? Still a ways to go if you ask me.

SentToStud · #4 09-07-2007, 12:33 PM

Bradshaw, Marino, Aikman. All as good as Manning. Hard to separate between them.

#5 09-07-2007, 12:39 PM

He's still playing so no.

Scav · #6 09-07-2007, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23

I don't agree. Harrison and Wayne are certainly very nice receivers but Manning doesn't even make them work to make the catch. He lays the ball in the perfect spot everytime such that any receiver could make the catch. If he ever went down to injury I think you would see a major dropoff in Harrison and Wayne's numbers.

I couldn't agree more. I never see Manning lay them out. He hits them all in stride right in the hands, it is unbelievable.

Lets not hope he gets hurt this year thought, I have all three of those (plus Dallas Clark) in Fantasy

GPK · #7 09-07-2007, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav

I couldn't agree more. I never see Manning lay them out. He hits them all in stride right in the hands, it is unbelievable.

Lets not hope he gets hurt this year thought, I have all three of those (plus Dallas Clark) in Fantasy

Yeah....and Jerry Rice had to dive for every pass Joe ever threw him

. Joe played 15 years in the league and is ranked in the top 3 or 4 all time in completion %. You gotta be pretty accurate for that kinda stat.

Scavs...you were like 2 when Montana was in his prime.

santana · #8 09-07-2007, 12:46 PM

Namath....Marino..and a number of other old timers would be serious contenders for best ever....
Believe it or not Oliver Lucks kid, who is a senior in HS and attending Stanford next yr, PINPOINT precision quarterback....yea i know HS.....just watch this kid in the next few yrs .

#9 09-07-2007, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by santana

Namath....Marino..and a number of other old timers would be serious contenders for best ever....
Believe it or not Oliver Lucks kid, who is a senior in HS and attending Stanford next yr, PINPOINT precision quarterback....yea i know HS.....just watch this kid in the next few yrs .

Hahaha. Well played, sir.

SniperSB23 · #10 09-07-2007, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Manning is no question an unbelievable talent. He does have an unbelievable line though, as you hardly ever see him go down. I don't think he's the best ever. He's not far from the top, but you give Marino, Elway, etc his line and that offense, I'm pretty sure they would look that good. I also don't think Montana is overrated.

Marino had a pretty awesome line as well. Didn't he go like 20 straight games without being sacked? I think Manning makes his line look better than it is. His quick decisions and pocket presence really make his linemen look good. Too bad he never gets injured so we'll never be able to see how much he improves his teammates.

phystech · #11 09-07-2007, 01:12 PM

Hands down - Johnny Unitas is the best ever......

Storm Cadet · #12 09-07-2007, 01:30 PM

I watched Unitas a lot as he was my football idol as a kid....Manning is getting pretty darn close to Johnny U!

The game has changed so much from those days so it's hard to compare the offense and defensive sets between the two eras.

ddthetide · #13 09-07-2007, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Storm Cadet

I watched Unitas a lot as he was my football idol as a kid....Manning is getting pretty darn close to Johnny U!

The game has changed so much from those days so it's hard to compare the offense and defensive sets between the two eras.

things have changed so much, you really can't compare. namath was a big game qb. bradshaw was as tough as they come and a bomber. snake stabler and roger staubach were very consistant and NO one ran a 2 minute drill better.

in the 70's the steelers and raiders DB changed the game. they were big and strong DBs. they are why the rules changed and DBs only have 5 yds to touch WRs. the biggest rule change came when the OL were allowed to open and us thier hands. thats when the eras changed.
can you guys old enough to remember, imagine, johnny u's colts, namath's jets, starr's packers, thier OL's using thier hands?
what could brashaw and the steelers running game have done? for that fact, staubach and dorsett? stabler and company.

marino had NO running and his OL was terrible at run blocking.
montana's completion percentage should be high, dink and dunk is what the was coast offense was. you have already forgot jim kelly in the run-and -shoot offense.

manning's the best of his time but not the best of all time.

Danzig · #14 09-07-2007, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ddthetide

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things have changed so much, you really can't compare. namath was a big game qb. bradshaw was as tough as they come and a bomber. snake stabler and roger staubach were very consistant and NO one ran a 2 minute drill better.

in the 70's the steelers and raiders DB changed the game. they were big and strong DBs. they are why the rules changed and DBs only have 5 yds to touch WRs. the biggest rule change came when the OL were allowed to open and us thier hands. thats when the eras changed.
can you guys old enough to remember, imagine, johnny u's colts, namath's jets, starr's packers, thier OL's using thier hands?
what could brashaw and the steelers running game have done? for that fact, staubach and dorsett? stabler and company.

marino had NO running and his OL was terrible at run blocking.
montana's completion percentage should be high, dink and dunk is what the was coast offense was. you have already forgot jim kelly in the run-and -shoot offense.

manning's the best of his time but not the best of all time.

between the two, i'd take brady over manning. i don't like mannings theatrics behind the line on practically every play, while brady seems calm, cool, collected and poised.

matter of fact, i have manning in my FFL. willing to entertain a trade, as even tho he earned me mucho points last night, he wracks my nerves, and i'd rather have a QB i can cheer for while they play.

Bigsmc · #15 09-07-2007, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK

and I could be successful in QBing the Colts offense...

No you couldn't. Every pass you'd throw would either hit the offensive linemen in the ass or the defensive linemen in the nuts.....it'd be like trying to throw to recievers over top of the Great Wall of China for you....

GPK · #16 09-07-2007, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Bigsmc

No you couldn't. Every pass you'd throw would either hit the offensive linemen in the ass or the defensive linemen in the nuts.....it'd be like trying to throw to recievers over top of the Great Wall of China for you....

hey....wait a minute...

gfy

Scav · #17 09-07-2007, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Bigsmc

No you couldn't. Every pass you'd throw would either hit the offensive linemen in the ass or the defensive linemen in the nuts.....it'd be like trying to throw to recievers over top of the Great Wall of China for you....

Exactly. he has zero atheletic talent. He is suppose to be a golf pro and got his ass handed to him by comedy Marty, on like 43 minutes of sleep after pounding drinks all night. I'll let Marty fix my swing thank you very much.

GPK · #18 09-07-2007, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav

Exactly. he has zero atheletic talent. He is suppose to be a golf pro and got his ass handed to him by comedy Marty, on like 43 minutes of sleep after pounding drinks all night. I'll let Marty fix my swing thank you very much.

ask Marty if he wants to try and make a living playing me everyday

Antitrust32 · #19 09-09-2007, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Scav

Exactly. he has zero atheletic talent. He is suppose to be a golf pro and got his ass handed to him by comedy Marty, on like 43 minutes of sleep after pounding drinks all night. I'll let Marty fix my swing thank you very much.

how would you know?? You didnt play. GPK is a great golfer. Marty is a very good golfer also. Noone handed anyone their ass.

Cajungator26 · #20 09-09-2007, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Scav

Exactly. he has zero atheletic talent. He is suppose to be a golf pro and got his ass handed to him by comedy Marty, on like 43 minutes of sleep after pounding drinks all night. I'll let Marty fix my swing thank you very much.

This is pretty funny considering you didn't even make it to tee up with them. LOL