NYRA: Spitzer nod on 30 yr renewal

DJK · #1 09-04-2007, 08:10 PM

I know people at some non-profits - that rent the track in Saratoga for events - are dancing little jigs of relief, too.

Cannon Shell · #2 09-04-2007, 08:14 PM

I was glad to see NYRA stay in charge.

ELA · #3 09-04-2007, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I was glad to see NYRA stay in charge.

So are most people involved in the business. Although the NYTHA initially endorsed Empire -- albeit prematurely, absent of a great deal of facts and due diligence, etc. -- the majority of the horsemen were not behind the endorsement (as I am sure you well know). The endorsement was given without even informing the membership. Of course the endorsement was later withdrawn.

Many people tend to forget or don't know that the NYTHA consists not only of trainers, but every owner in NY who races a horse at a NYRA track just one time throughout the year.

I also believe that NYRA was also the only bidder that stated raising the takeout was not part of their proposal.

Eric

NoLuvForPletch · #4 09-04-2007, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I was glad to see NYRA stay in charge.

Okay, now that everyone is so excited about NYRA remaining in charge can they hire someone that knows what will make the fans of the sport happy? They can start with moving the Spinaway back to the last Friday of the meet and the Hopeful to the last Saturday of the meet. Who's bright idea was it to run the Hopeful on Labor day Monday at 530pm?

SniperSB23 · #5 09-04-2007, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch

Okay, now that everyone is so excited about NYRA remaining in charge can they hire someone that knows what will make the fans of the sport happy? They can start with moving the Spinaway back to the last Friday of the meet and the Hopeful to the last Saturday of the meet. Who's bright idea was it to run the Hopeful on Labor day Monday at 530pm?

I don't get it, how would adding the Hopeful to an already very nice day on Saturday where there was the Forego and the Woodward help anything? Didn't Monday draw over 20,000? Would that have still happened if the Hopeful was on Saturday? Maybe, but I doubt the positive impact on Saturday would outweigh the negative impact on Monday.

NoLuvForPletch · #6 09-04-2007, 10:47 PM

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I don't get it, how would adding the Hopeful to an already very nice day on Saturday where there was the Forego and the Woodward help anything? Didn't Monday draw over 20,000? Would that have still happened if the Hopeful was on Saturday? Maybe, but I doubt the positive impact on Saturday would outweigh the negative impact on Monday.

The Woodward just recently moved there. The point is that Saratoga is the place where the next stars of our game are on display and by running the Hopeful on Monday it deprives "fans" from seeing them. My post was about how to encourage more "fans". The people who go on the last day would go on the last day if you ran 10 state bred races. They are going because it was the last day. I, who was there for 2 weeks on vacation did not stay because I needed to drive 4 hours to get back to NY. IMO most of the attendance were probably locals on Monday.

SniperSB23 · #7 09-04-2007, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch

The Woodward just recently moved there. The point is that Saratoga is the place where the next stars of our game are on display and by running the Hopeful on on Monday it deprives "fans" from seeing them. My post was about how to encourage more "fans". The people who go on the last day would go on the last day if you ran 10 state bred races. They are going because it was the last day. I, who was there for 2 weeks on vacation did not stay because I needed to drive 4 hours to get back to NY. IMO most of the attendance were probably locals on Monday.

The Hopeful moved to closing day at the same point the Woodward moved to Saratoga. Get your facts straight before you start bashing their scheduling.

NoLuvForPletch · #8 09-04-2007, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23

The Hopeful moved to closing day at the same point the Woodward moved to Saratoga. Get your facts straight before you start bashing their scheduling.

Dude seriously, all I said was "it recently moved there", like last year. Wouldn't you say the Hopeful just recently moved to Monday, like last year?

Antitrust32 · #9 09-05-2007, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch

The Woodward just recently moved there. The point is that Saratoga is the place where the next stars of our game are on display and by running the Hopeful on Monday it deprives "fans" from seeing them. My post was about how to encourage more "fans". The people who go on the last day would go on the last day if you ran 10 state bred races. They are going because it was the last day. I, who was there for 2 weeks on vacation did not stay because I needed to drive 4 hours to get back to NY. IMO most of the attendance were probably locals on Monday.

I dont know if you realize, but this past monday was a national holiday, Labor Day, and it was packed more (as a bbq business standpoint at least) than saturday was.

NoLuvForPletch · #10 09-04-2007, 10:50 PM

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I thought closing weekend was great. Full fields, except for the Hopeful and I thought the placement of the races was fine. I also have no problem paying a little extra Belmont and Travers Day and don't mind paying for $7 beers Belmont Day, because I know how cheap it is in comparison to Pimlico and Churchill on their big days. You can't please everyone...

Actually my seats went from $20.00 a ticket in the Clubhouse to $65.00 a ticket in the Clubhouse. That's not exactly "a little extra". They don't let you bring your own beer in on Travers Day anymore either?

Sightseek · #11 09-04-2007, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch

Actually my seats went from $20.00 a ticket in the Clubhouse to $65.00 a ticket in the Clubhouse. That's not exactly "a little extra".

Try sitting out on a broken chair in the hot sun followed by ice cold rain prior to the actual race for $90 at the Freakness.

SniperSB23 · #12 09-04-2007, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch

Actually my seats went from $20.00 a ticket in the Clubhouse to $65.00 a ticket in the Clubhouse. That's not exactly "a little extra".

That's what you pay for general admission on Derby Day. You can get in for general admission on Travers Day for $3-$5. I'm not sure cause my Grandstand Admission season pass was a bankroll crippling $35 so I didn't have to pay admission.

Antitrust32 · #13 09-05-2007, 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch

Actually my seats went from $20.00 a ticket in the Clubhouse to $65.00 a ticket in the Clubhouse. That's not exactly "a little extra". They don't let you bring your own beer in on Travers Day anymore either?

that is the least true statement ive hear in my life.

people were bringing boatloads of their own beer travers day.

NoLuvForPletch · #14 09-05-2007, 10:16 AM

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that is the least true statement ive hear in my life.

people were bringing boatloads of their own beer travers day.

I was asking a question. The guy was comparing Travers Day to Belmont Day saying he didn't mind paying for beer on Travers Day. So I asked the question about being able to bring in your own.

NoLuvForPletch · #15 09-04-2007, 11:01 PM

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It's still significantly less than you will pay at Churchill or Pimlico. It is a hike, I agree, but it's only one day and the rest of the days are pretty cheap, compared to other activities. I mean, we live in a day where movies are $10, gas is $3 a gallon. I'll be at the Jets game Sunday, my ticket was $85. I don't mind paying for a good time and I have NEVER had a bad time at the track. Even the day I had my friend pull over on the way up, so I could throw up, because I was so hungover.

OKay, but that is us. We are sitting at our computers debating this. Listening to Steve's show on a daily basis. Waiting for the Green Monkey to finally run. But on a day like Belmont Day, where most of the people there have never heard of the Green Monkey, are they looking at those prices and feeling the same as us?

#16 09-04-2007, 11:03 PM

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OKay, but that is us. We are sitting at our computers debating this. Listening to Steve's show on a daily basis. Waiting for the Green Monkey to finally run. But on a day like Belmont Day, where most of the people there have never heard of the Green Monkey, are they looking at those prices and feeling the same as us?

Only if Peter Frampton is playing over the loud speakers.

NoLuvForPletch · #17 09-04-2007, 10:30 PM

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Where does that one rank on your list of suggestions of NYRA to handle aspects of racing to make fans happy?

Certainly not at the top but it is an example of something that gives one the impression that they really do not know what would benefit racing and the enjoyment of it, from a fan's perspective.

How do you feel about the absurd ticket and admission pricing on Belmont Day and their "policy" that does not allow one to bring their own alcohol to the Belmont. But they sure allow you to buy as much as you want from the concession stand at $7.00 a beer.

#18 09-04-2007, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch

How do you feel about the absurd ticket and admission pricing on Belmont Day and their "policy" that does not allow one to bring their own alcohol to the Belmont. But they sure allow you to buy as much as you want from the concession stand at $7.00 a beer.

Wow. You'd really flip at a CDI track.

Sightseek · #19 09-04-2007, 10:34 PM

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Wow. You'd really flip at a CDI track.

ha, you beat me to it.

NoLuvForPletch · #20 09-04-2007, 10:38 PM

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Wow. You'd really flip at a CDI track.

You mean for the Derby? It's THE Derby! The Belmont and Belmont Day, without someone going for the Triple Crown is slightly more appealing than the Day when the JCGC and the other 3 Grade 1's are run. How many people attend on that day?

Do they employ tellers that have absolutely NO idea how to operate the betting machines on Derby Day?