My early BCC morning line

[Scav]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

Not with Street Sense, Any Given Saturday, Curlin and some Euros in the race. In fact, in light of his stature as a Derby winner, I'd be very surprised if Street Sense wasn't the favorite (assuming that he wins his prep for the Classic). Before we get too crazy about Lawyer Ron, while he did look very good winning at Saratoga, beating the likes of the hardly-stellar Diamond Stripes, Wanderin Boy and Sun King, let's remember that he lost his only start at Monmouth, to a Grade III horse.

They said the same about Ghostzapper in the BCC and they let him off at like 5/2 or something insane. I think you should get crazy about Lawyer Ron because his figures are HEAD AND TAILS above all these horses and should/would be a stone cold single on BC Day for me. His figures are in the Ghostzapper terriotory right now and while I doubt he could improve, he could regress 4 pts and STILL win. He has been whipped twice in these last two victories, it isn't like he was all out.

Right now Lawyer Ron should be a 3/5 favorite. 5/2 would be like robbing a bank without facing the consequences.

[Slewbopper]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

Right now Lawyer Ron should be a 3/5 favorite. 5/2 would be like robbing a bank without facing the consequences.

Well then post your morningline rather than giving me sh it. Who was the last 3/5 in the BCC?

Pillow Pants...wtf are those? Those bloomers that Sabu wore in Arabian Nights movies?

BTW, I got 100 bucks that says Lawyer Ron will not win the Classic. Offer good for one taker until midnight

Originally Posted by Slewbopper

Well then post your morningline rather than giving me sh it. Who was the last 3/5 in the BCC?

Is it a heavy flow day? I was giving my opinion, not giving you sh it.

Originally Posted by Slewbopper

Pillow Pants...wtf are those? Those bloomers that Sabu wore in Arabian Nights movies?

Ask your buddies at ESPN.

Originally Posted by Slewbopper

BTW, I got 100 bucks that says Lawyer Ron will not win the Classic.

Cool. Which horse are you putting it on, whale?

[viscount26]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

Is it a heavy flow day? I was giving my opinion, not giving you sh it.


Ask your buddies at ESPN.


Cool. Which horse are you putting it on, whale?

Give it to me. I'll put it on Curlin

[Slewbopper]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

Is it a heavy flow day? I was giving my opinion, not giving you sh it.


Ask your buddies at ESPN.


Cool. Which horse are you putting it on, whale?

I am giving you the Lawyer. I get the field. At 3/5 it is an overlay for you. And don't forget you have the Robot training. He has a remarkable record in the BC.

Originally Posted by Slewbopper

I am giving you the Lawyer. I get the field. At 3/5 it is an overlay for you. And don't forget you have the Robot training. He has a remarkable record in the BC.

How much money has he cost you this summer? You seem awful bitter over him. If you would've took the time to...

A. Calm Down
B. Take a Deep Breath
C. Read

You would've noticed that I said "should."

Why would I take even money when chances are he will be above that? And why do you want to continue to lose betting against him?

[Slewbopper]

[quote=Pillow Pants]How much money has he cost you this summer? You seem awful bitter over him. If you would've took the time to...

QUOTE]
Actually, you are right...he has cost me money. I singled Wingspan on top of a tri key a couple weeks ago. Yesterday I boxed Mott and Baffert in the Hopeful and got stung. Dumb ass that I am, I didn't just bet the 6/1 Majestic Warrior to win. The Robot gets me coming and going.

Based on the fact that Lawyer Ron seems to love Saratoga and ran just an ok race at Monmouth, I think Any Given Saturday will be the favorite if he wins the Jockey Club Gold Cup or any race he runs in before the Classic. If he trains up to the race I would say LR will be the favorite.

Pletcher will have the two best shots to win the race but I will go with Grasshopper to win it all.


Here are some preliminary BCC futures odds. 4-1 is the lowest out there right now.

http://www.sportingbet.com.au/uipub/...33&l3id=644534

[Sightseek]

Anyone read what the plans are for Tiago? (not that he is my selection but one would assume he will go to the Classic)

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by Scav

They said the same about Ghostzapper in the BCC and they let him off at like 5/2 or something insane. I think you should get crazy about Lawyer Ron because his figures are HEAD AND TAILS above all these horses and should/would be a stone cold single on BC Day for me. His figures are in the Ghostzapper terriotory right now and while I doubt he could improve, he could regress 4 pts and STILL win. He has been whipped twice in these last two victories, it isn't like he was all out.

Pretty much how I feel too and the horse that did beat him at Monmouth, Gotcha Gold I feel is a bit more than a Grade III horse at that particular track.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

Pretty much how I feel too and the horse that did beat him at Monmouth, Gotcha Gold I feel is a bit more than a Grade III horse at that particular track.

That race is a complete toss. Pletcher goes there to get them legged up. He TRIED the same thing with Flower Alley

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

Pretty much how I feel too and the horse that did beat him at Monmouth, Gotcha Gold I feel is a bit more than a Grade III horse at that particular track.

yes, people keep making the mistake of downplaying Lawyer Ron because of that race. that was a 1 turn mile, not Lawyer Rons forte, and Gotha Gold is a fast course specialist at Monmouth which can really favor sprint type speed. Lawyer Ron is a true two turn route horse and not a sprinter.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

yes, people keep making the mistake of downplaying Lawyer Ron because of that race. that was a 1 turn mile, not Lawyer Rons forte, and Gotha Gold is a fast course specialist at Monmouth which can really favor sprint type speed. Lawyer Ron is a true two turn route horse and not a sprinter.

It's pretty remarkable to look at the lifetime PP's for Ron. He was making starts nearly every two weeks as a two year old until the racing game (and right surface) finally woke him up.

[Holland Hacker]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

yes, people keep making the mistake of downplaying Lawyer Ron because of that race. that was a 1 turn mile, not Lawyer Rons forte, and Gotha Gold is a fast course specialist at Monmouth which can really favor sprint type speed. Lawyer Ron is a true two turn route horse and not a sprinter.

Where did the race start on route 36? The next 1 turn mile I see at Monmouth Park will be the first. I do agree though that Gotch Gold is better than he is given credit for and Lawyer Ron nearly did run him down against at STRONG Speed Bias. Personally I think that was a good race even though he didn't win.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Holland Hacker

Where did the race start on route 36? The next 1 turn mile I see at Monmouth Park will be the first. I do agree though that Gotch Gold is better than he is given credit for and Lawyer Ron nearly did run him down against at STRONG Speed Bias. Personally I think that was a good race even though he didn't win.

I thought Monmouth and Laurel both had one turn chute miles. If i'm wrong i stand corrected.
still i agree with you, it was a strong race even in defeat as its hard to make up ground there against a good speed horse like gotcha gold.

[NoLuvForPletch]

Is it hammertime? Lawyer Ron 7/2? Grasshopper at 25-1 is a decent play, no?

2007 BREEDERS CUP CLASSIC
Outcome Odds
LAWYER RON 7-2
STREET SENSE 4-1
ANY GIVEN SATURDAY 9-2
CURLIN 6-1
MANDURO 7-1
HARD SPUN 8-1
DIAMOND STRIPES 10-1
CORINTHIAN 10-1
DISCREET CAT 12-1
MASTER COMMAND 15-1
MAGNA GRADUATE 15-1
NOBIZ LIKE SHOBIZ 18-1
PAPI CHULO 20-1
POLITICAL FORCE 20-1
LEWIS MICHAEL 20-1
MINISTER'S BID 20-1
CIRCULAR QUAY 25-1
MOLENGAO 25-1
SURF CAT 25-1
FAIRBANKS 25-1
FIRST DEFENCE 25-1
GOTTCHA GOLD 25-1
STUDENT COUNCIL 25-1
DAAHER 25-1
GRASSHOPPER 25-1
HARLINGTON 30-1
TIAGO 30-1
SUN BOAT 30-1
BRASS HAT 30-1
LOOSE LEAF 30-1
SIGHTSEEING 35-1
MIDNIGHT LUTE 35-1
ZANJERO 35-1
TIMBER RESERVE 35-1
AP ARROW 40-1
BUZZARD'S BAY 40-1
HESANOLDSALT 40-1
WANDERIN BOY 40-1
ARSON SQUAD 40-1
AUTHORIZED 40-1
GREAT HUNTER 40-1
DELIGHTFULL KISS 40-1
PAVAROTTI 40-1
TIME SQUARED 40-1
CP WEST 40-1
KING OF THE ROXY 45-1
DOMINICAN 45-1
XCHANGER 45-1
LAVA MAN 50-1
JAZIL 50-1
SUN KING 50-1
TIZ WONDERFUL 50-1
MCCANN'S MOJAVE 55-1
PATRIOT ACT 55-1
SWEETNORTHERNSAINT 55-1
PERFECT DRIFT 60-1
POINT DETERMINED 60-1
GOTAGHOSTOFACHANCE 150-1
INVASOR Closed
CHELOKEE Closed
BOB AND JOHN Closed
SCAT DADDY Closed
FLASHY BULL Closed

[ninetoone]

I don't see Cowtown Cat on that list

[KY_Sasquash]

Originally Posted by Scav

They said the same about Ghostzapper in the BCC and they let him off at like 5/2 or something insane. I think you should get crazy about Lawyer Ron because his figures are HEAD AND TAILS above all these horses and should/would be a stone cold single on BC Day for me. His figures are in the Ghostzapper terriotory right now and while I doubt he could improve, he could regress 4 pts and STILL win. He has been whipped twice in these last two victories, it isn't like he was all out.

Except Lawyer Ron hasnt beaten the like's of St. Liam and Roses in May. This is a weak handicap division that he's beating up on, Langfuhr doesnt scream 10F, and Lawyer Ron doesn't like 10F. GZ was running high 120s beyer.......I'll play against all day in the BC Classic