India shippers??????

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by miraja2

First of all, I don't think anybody is suggesting that it was a "crime."
Secondly, to say that MMSC's response is "what drives the racist mentality" is, quite frankly, absurd. The picture is a racist, offensive caricature, and MMSC's response was intelligent and articulate.
As for TheSpyder, he came on here and apologized, which I give him credit for doing. A lot of people can't admit to making mistakes....even on the internet. It takes a big person to do that, and he did it without any BS. I think we all know that he didn't mean anything malicious by it, and as far as I am concerned, the matter is over.

You too my friend are a little too sensitive. The picture is NOT racist in any manner. If you want to take offense, then take it. Just because a picture depicts a person of a different race than you, it is not necesarily racist. The "racist mentality" that you too seem to have is when racism is used as a substitute for poor taste. There is a huge difference. Spyder is a nice guy who attempted a little humor. You guys are the ones who turned it into an issue.

There is a Bud light commercial that plays excessively of a guy teaching a class of decidedly non-americans to speak English. There are the typical sterotypes and funny (foreign sounding) pronounciations. That is called humor. Or maybe Budweiser is a racist company too. Maybe it is not your type but it also is not racist. Is Rush Hour 3 a racist movie because Chris Tucker makes Chinese jokes and pokes fun at the way Jackie Chan talks? Maybe I am the politically incorrect one but maybe you should lighten up and stop making the world such a miserable place with all your correctness.

[trifecta124]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You too my friend are a little too sensitive. The picture is NOT racist in any manner. If you want to take offense, then take it. Just because a picture depicts a person of a different race than you, it is not necesarily racist. The "racist mentality" that you too seem to have is when racism is used as a substitute for poor taste. There is a huge difference. Spyder is a nice guy who attempted a little humor. You guys are the ones who turned it into an issue.


There is a Bud light commercial that plays excessively of a guy teaching a class of decidedly non-americans to speak English. There are the typical sterotypes and funny (foreign sounding) pronounciations. That is called humor. Or maybe Budweiser is a racist company too. Maybe it is not your type but it also is not racist. Is Rush Hour 3 a racist movie because Chris Tucker makes Chinese jokes and pokes fun at the way Jackie Chan talks? Maybe I am the politically incorrect one but maybe you should lighten up and stop making the world such a miserable place with all your correctness.

A very well written post.

Now that is offensive.

[TheSpyder]

Offensive, no way. I'll take it with a bake potato...or is it potatoe...let me call the ex-VP.

As for all the hoopla, let's all get together and sing kumbaya and listen to my Chris Rock CD. That'll either get us together or we'll kill each other. Let's settle this.

BTW...that's a joke..OK???

PS: Thanks Chuck...you are the man

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

Now that is offensive.

i'll take one of those, medium rare, with a salad please.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You too my friend are a little too sensitive. The picture is NOT racist in any manner. If you want to take offense, then take it. Just because a picture depicts a person of a different race than you, it is not necesarily racist. The "racist mentality" that you too seem to have is when racism is used as a substitute for poor taste. There is a huge difference. Spyder is a nice guy who attempted a little humor. You guys are the ones who turned it into an issue.

There is a Bud light commercial that plays excessively of a guy teaching a class of decidedly non-americans to speak English. There are the typical sterotypes and funny (foreign sounding) pronounciations. That is called humor. Or maybe Budweiser is a racist company too. Maybe it is not your type but it also is not racist. Is Rush Hour 3 a racist movie because Chris Tucker makes Chinese jokes and pokes fun at the way Jackie Chan talks? Maybe I am the politically incorrect one but maybe you should lighten up and stop making the world such a miserable place with all your correctness.

Chuck,
I have a lot of respect for you as a trainer and as a member of this board. I agree with a whole lot of what you say on here. On this issue however, I just think you are wrong. Do I think that Carlos Mencia (the guy from the Budweiser commercials) is an idiot that promotes negative racial stereotypes. As a matter of fact, yes I do. Do I think Budweiser is wrong for using him in those ads? Yes I do. Perhaps white people think the world is a "miserable place" because of all the political correctness. Something tells me that most of the rest of the world would argue that racism has done a bit more to add misery to the world than political correctness. Even though I too am "white," I think I'll side with "them" on this one.
However, I honestly don't see any way that I am going to convince you that I am right here, and frankly I don't think a horse racing message board is even a very good place to get into this type of subject.
I guess it is "agree to disagree" on this subject.

[dellinger63]

The negative stereotypes were out in force dressed everyway from a cast member in alli bahba to a Patel mobster wanna be. And they bet this crap down to 3/5 opening. All left with one thing in common.... All had their ethnically customized Trojan's with them.... LOL don't let the door hit your a $$es on the way out.......

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

The negative stereotypes were out in force dressed everyway from a cast member in alli bahba to a Patel mobster wanna be. And they bet this crap down to 3/5 opening. All left with one thing in common.... All had their ethnically customized Trojan's with them.... LOL don't let the door hit your a $$es on the way out.......

Steve...I wanted to bicker with you about this, but Marzak wouldn't shut up today. It's the classic "shoot the messenger"....except the messenger happens to be an India connection. This horse ain't crap....it went through hell to get here and wasn't meant to be.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by GBBob

Steve...I wanted to bicker with you about this, but Marzak wouldn't shut up today. It's the classic "shoot the messenger"....except the messenger happens to be an India connection. This horse ain't crap....it went through hell to get here and wasn't meant to be.

Let's hope he travels home safely? This trainer who was here from Million Day till this 45K race where he finished last; he's a good one? They may have lapped him in the million.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Let's hope he travels home safely? This trainer who was here from Million Day till this 45K race where he finished last; he's a good one? They may have lapped him in the million.

Perhaps the connections should have kept their yaps shut about the Million....especially in the Chicago Tribune today. Obviously didn't belong in that. What if the "betting public" hadn't sent him off at whatever short price he was at? Would he have been more respected at 6-1?
There just seemed to be a lot of animosity at a horse/trainer/owner just trying to do something different.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Chuck,
I have a lot of respect for you as a trainer and as a member of this board. I agree with a whole lot of what you say on here. On this issue however, I just think you are wrong. Do I think that Carlos Mencia (the guy from the Budweiser commercials) is an idiot that promotes negative racial stereotypes. As a matter of fact, yes I do. Do I think Budweiser is wrong for using him in those ads? Yes I do. Perhaps white people think the world is a "miserable place" because of all the political correctness. Something tells me that most of the rest of the world would argue that racism has done a bit more to add misery to the world than political correctness. Even though I too am "white," I think I'll side with "them" on this one.
However, I honestly don't see any way that I am going to convince you that I am right here, and frankly I don't think a horse racing message board is even a very good place to get into this type of subject.
I guess it is "agree to disagree" on this subject.

Dude all I am saying is that you guys jumped on a guy for posting a stupid picture. In calling it racist you actually are part of the problem of blurring the line between actual racism and psuedo-racism. I am well aware of the evils of racism but the tendency to see things that may be in poor taste as racist just fuels the flames.

[trifecta124]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Dude all I am saying is that you guys jumped on a guy for posting a stupid picture. In calling it racist you actually are part of the problem of blurring the line between actual racism and psuedo-racism. I am well aware of the evils of racism but the tendency to see things that may be in poor taste as racist just fuels the flames.

I agree.....Racism is acting upon a prejudice that one may have. If I post a funny picture of a drunk Irish guy, or a picture of an Italian wearing a wife beater, or a picture of an Indian working in a 7-11 it would be funny. However, If I were in a position of power & decided not to hire someone based on their race, gender or religious beliefs....that would be racism.

[Left Bank]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Dude all I am saying is that you guys jumped on a guy for posting a stupid picture. In calling it racist you actually are part of the problem of blurring the line between actual racism and psuedo-racism. I am well aware of the evils of racism but the tendency to see things that may be in poor taste as racist just fuels the flames.

Another well written statement!!! Get 'em Chuck!!

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Dude all I am saying is that you guys jumped on a guy for posting a stupid picture. In calling it racist you actually are part of the problem of blurring the line between actual racism and psuedo-racism. I am well aware of the evils of racism but the tendency to see things that may be in poor taste as racist just fuels the flames.

Needless to say, I completely disagree with you here. Racism comes in all shapes and sizes. The Klan engages in one form of racist activity. People who use a person's race to influence a decision about who gets a promotion engages in another. One of the biggest misconceptions, however, that a lot of people seem to have, is that these obvious acts are all that falls under the category of racism. This is not the case. The world is not neatly divided between "racists" and angels. A lot of racism is born of ignorance rather than malicious intent. Things like caricatures can - and have - strenthened negative racial stereotypes for centuries. When something that is in "poor taste" is also racially insensitive, I firmly believe that the person responsible for it should be called on it. TheSpyder was called on it, and he handled himself appropriately.
Is making an offensive post on a horse racing message board the same as more blatant forms of racism? Of course not. Can such images and comments strengthen negative stereotypes? Yes. That is racism. Pure and simple. For what it is worth I can tell you that the vast majority of the academic community would almost unanimously call the post in question a "racist post." Now does that mean we are absolutely right? No, and I suspect that there will be a lot of anti-academic types here who will suggest that we are wrong quite often. But I believe we are right more often than we are wrong, and I think we're right here.
Now, personally I really want to be done with this topic, although I suspect it will continue on without my participation. As a historian, I actually study, read, and write on the history of U.S. racism (or to put it more accurately, the history of the social construction of "race" in the U.S) for a living. I work on this crap 7 days a week, for about 10 hours a day, so when I come on DT, I would much rather discuss the ponies.

[miraja2]

Wait, I'm not done afterall. I thought of something better.
Chuck, if GRITS was here she would be on your side of this argument. As far as I can tell, that means you are wrong and I am right.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Wait, I'm not done afterall. I thought of something better.
Chuck, if GRITS was here she would be on your side of this argument. As far as I can tell, that means you are wrong and I am right.

lol, the world's most infallible indicator of who is actually right in a conversation.

never fails.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Wait, I'm not done afterall. I thought of something better.
Chuck, if GRITS was here she would be on your side of this argument. As far as I can tell, that means you are wrong and I am right.

That is a good point to which I have no counter

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Needless to say, I completely disagree with you here. Racism comes in all shapes and sizes. The Klan engages in one form of racist activity. People who use a person's race to influence a decision about who gets a promotion engages in another. One of the biggest misconceptions, however, that a lot of people seem to have, is that these obvious acts are all that falls under the category of racism. This is not the case. The world is not neatly divided between "racists" and angels. A lot of racism is born of ignorance rather than malicious intent. Things like caricatures can - and have - strenthened negative racial stereotypes for centuries. When something that is in "poor taste" is also racially insensitive, I firmly believe that the person responsible for it should be called on it. TheSpyder was called on it, and he handled himself appropriately.
Is making an offensive post on a horse racing message board the same as more blatant forms of racism? Of course not. Can such images and comments strengthen negative stereotypes? Yes. That is racism. Pure and simple. For what it is worth I can tell you that the vast majority of the academic community would almost unanimously call the post in question a "racist post." Now does that mean we are absolutely right? No, and I suspect that there will be a lot of anti-academic types here who will suggest that we are wrong quite often. But I believe we are right more often than we are wrong, and I think we're right here.
Now, personally I really want to be done with this topic, although I suspect it will continue on without my participation. As a historian, I actually study, read, and write on the history of U.S. racism (or to put it more accurately, the history of the social construction of "race" in the U.S) for a living. I work on this crap 7 days a week, for about 10 hours a day, so when I come on DT, I would much rather discuss the ponies.

I just wanted to applaud you on this eloquent and insightful post.

You've said it all. I appreciate that you took the time to compose it and agree with you 100 percent.

[The Bid]

Mexicans make the best tacos

[satan's twin]

Originally Posted by The Bid

Mexicans make the best tacos

You insensitive, stereotyping bastard! Anyone who has ever crunched one of those delectable morsels knows that most exquisite tacos are made by the Dutch.