Poly vs Cushion

[NoChanceToDance]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Accoding to Dickinson, "Tapeta was made for an American climate - as opposed to polytrack, which was made for a European climate."

From what I've seen.....polytrack is complete garbage, cushion track is better than polytrack...and Tapeta might be better than cushion track.

Nothing they make will ever replace the greatness that is the natural dirt surface.

How many times do i have to say that is the track's fault..... not the surface. If the tracks over there were to maitain it properly, it would be a good surface.

Martin Collins sells it as a "maintenance free" surface, when it is anything but that, but the US tracks seem to have taken his word for it.

To look at, Poly and Cushion are quite different. Cushion looks more shredded with bigger pieces while Poly is like a gummy gooey sand. (They had samples of Poly to feel at Del Mar, ick). It is easy to see that horses might not "sink" into Cushion they way they are said to do into dry warm Poly.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by NoChanceToDance

How many times do i have to say that is the track's fault..... not the surface. If the tracks over there were to maitain it properly, it would be a good surface.

How exactly do you know how the tracks are being maintained here?

[NoChanceToDance]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

How exactly do you know how the tracks are being maintained here?

I have seen how they are harrowed, and the amount of water put on some of them.

You do not need to be a brain surgeon to realise that the tracks with Poly in America are doing plenty of things wrong.

It's starting to make me laugh that they obviously have no clue as to how to maitain a synthetic surface, and how the racing fans seem to be very short sighted about the whole thing.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by NoChanceToDance

I have seen how they are harrowed, and the amount of water put on some of them.

You do not need to be a brain surgeon to realise that the tracks with Poly in America are doing plenty of things wrong.

It's starting to make me laugh that they obviously have no clue as to how to maitain a synthetic surface, and how the racing fans seem to be very short sighted about the whole thing.

You have the ability to watch the harrows and water trucks from Europe?

[my miss storm cat]

I don't want to get into this debate as clearly I don't know enough but there was a breakdown in the first race at Presque Isle Downs.....

Rest in peace, Cantrel.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

I don't want to get into this debate as clearly I don't know enough but there was a breakdown in the first race at Presque Isle Downs.....

Rest in peace, Cantrel.

That was fast.

Cantrel...Trained by Scott Lake. R.I.P

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Huge binoculars, duh.

I laughed.

[2Hot4TV]

The polytrack at Del Mar has 0 degree banking in the turns and Hollywoods Cushion track has 6 degree banking. This is something that has to change the way some horses perform from track to track in California.

[The Bid]

Another breakdown tonight at PI. They are 2 for 2, batting 1000

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by 2Hot4TV

The polytrack at Del Mar has 0 degree banking in the turns and Hollywoods Cushion track has 6 degree banking. This is something that has to change the way some horses perform from track to track in California.

the big change was when they disallowed airfoils on the horses for those high speed turns.

tracks are banked for drainage. i guess del mar determined they didn't need it with the new surface.