Time to stop the open funding of terrorism!

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I don't know how you can compare Israel to terrorists. That reminds me of people who think that Bush is a terrorist just like Bin Laden.

The ultra-leftists don't believe a word of what they themselves are saying.

They just viscerally hate America and Israel ... and are willing to ally themselves with any of their enemies regardless of how vicious and inhuman they are ... because America and Israel are the big obstacles to leftist world domination.

The leftists hate not having power ... and they know that America and Israel are the reasons why they don't.

Price of oil is about to explode. Hmmmmm, should I buy a Vespa now or later.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

The ultra-leftists don't believe a word of what they themselves are saying.

They just viscerally hate America and Israel ... and are willing to ally themselves with any of their enemies regardless of how vicious and inhuman they are ... because America and Israel are the big obstacles to leftist world domination.

The leftists hate not having power ... and they know that America and Israel are the reasons why they don't.

LOLOLOLOLOL. Off the deep end today you go!!!!

Well, it's been a very bad weekend for the radical right (neo-conservatives, as they say), today especially:

1. Bush and Omert aren't talking. Then again, Bush doesn't speak to the heads of state of Japan or South Korea either. Just wtf do he and Tony Blair talk about all day and night?

2. The rest of the world ain't exactly falling over themselves to defend Israel's generally characterized "disproportionate" response. Russia, no. Europeans, nope. Anyone else? No, sorry, they're all busy trying to find peace.

3. Why doesn't Condie Rice get her scrawny butt over there and start doing her job? It's called shuttle diplomacy. Henry Kissinger must be turning in his grave. Warren Christopher too. Can it be Rice is too busy working with the Chinese over N. Korea? Nope. She's not welcome there either. (And boy, did the Chinese do some job on our behalf trying to get North Korea to back off it's activities). How does Colin Powell manage the restraint to refrain from commenting?!?

4. Sean Hannity called pretty much all the European nations anti-semites for not embraing Isreal's over-response. Radical righthanders at least have good old Hannity to fall back on, because, ....

5. You all saw and heard none other than that bastion of modulation, Newt Gingrich on "Meet The Press" today bashing the Bush Administration for it's failure to execute Middle East policy successfully. I thought Russert was going to toss his cookies he was so surprised. No political strategy for the Iraqi nation, no reaching out to the Sunnis (read oil money) and just total and utter failure at military infrastructure. Like me, 60% of Americans and about 95% of the rest of the world, he's just tired of Bush's and Rumsfel'ds failure to get the job done.

Don't get me wrong. I didn't think the war was a terrible idea. But it would be nice if we weren't acting like the clown army of the world in Iraq. I also voted for Bush, twice. I admit my hand shook a bit in '04 as I voted. But after all, as Lewis Black says, "what the hell is there to do when your choices are two bowls of sh1t?"

6. We did see Condie Rice say that while Israel has the right to defend itself, there is no chance for peace without a 2-state solution. Nice to hear, but really, it is so very lamentable that it takes this kind of action to get the Roadmap To Peace" back into meaningful dialogue. And poorly advised of the U.S. to say this. It only serves to boost Hezbollah and the extreme portion of Hamas in importance. Not sure I'd have done that.

7. Bush's remarks today and yesterday also have to be of concern to the ultra-radical right here and in Israel. He certainly doesn't come across as particularly happy.

8. Iraq coalition nations are obviously getting pissed off at having to do Israel's heavy lifting in Iraq and are wanting to see some closure to the Israeli-Palestinian crisis. While it's comforting to know that Estonia (35 troops currently in Iraq), Macedonia (33) and Kazakhstan (28) are ommitted, ALL the nations of the world are asking, "Where the heck are the Israeli troops?" Can someone tell us why Israel has not had a single soldier on the ground in Iraq?

9. It's sad to see the fledgling democray in Lebanon being held hostage. The government is fairly weak and their army is not all that loyal. Instead of embracing Lebanon and making sure the UN placed security troops in the southern part of that nation, the U.S. and Israel found other things to do. Also, the U.S. and Israel took the shortest, easiest path in Lebanon and did not force out the Hezbollah group totally from power.

10. Whatever happened to that s.o.b. Osama Bin Laden? That guy is a mofo for sure, but he has got to be first-ballot for sure into the Hide-and-go-Seek Hall of Fame.

12. As an aside... 15% Oil. 15% Precious Metals. 70% Cash. Wait until you see the end of all this mess, which of course, will be when you see...

12. The King of Jordan!!! Once he gets involved (and you see him on the BROADCAST national news), it's pretty much a solved situation and a done deal. Get back in the next morning!

13. The world is expressing it's disdain for US and Israeli policy. The world is tired of the legitimacy brought to Hezbollah by the Gaza and Golan issues. The world wants to see this end... and the only way, according to the world, is to remove the reasons for legitimizing Hezbollah and other thugly folks. Get the peace process going and going strong, never stop no matter what... that way, there is no legitimizing issue for the Hezbo. It is really that simple. Even if it isn't, it ain't exactly as if what the U.S. and Israel are doing is working now!

Make peace not war.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

LOLOLOLOLOL. Off the deep end today you go!!!!

Well, it's been a very bad weekend for the radical right (neo-conservatives, as they say), today especially:

1. Bush and Omert aren't talking. Then again, Bush doesn't speak to the heads of state of Japan or South Korea either. Just wtf do he and Tony Blair talk about all day and night?

2. The rest of the world ain't exactly falling over themselves to defend Israel's generally characterized "disproportionate" response. Russia, no. Europeans, nope. Anyone else? No, sorry, they're all busy trying to find peace.

3. Why doesn't Condie Rice get her scrawny butt over there and start doing her job? It's called shuttle diplomacy. Henry Kissinger must be turning in his grave. Warren Christopher too. Can it be Rice is too busy working with the Chinese over N. Korea? Nope. She's not welcome there either. (And boy, did the Chinese do some job on our behalf trying to get North Korea to back off it's activities). How does Colin Powell manage the restraint to refrain from commenting?!?

4. Sean Hannity called pretty much all the European nations anti-semites for not embraing Isreal's over-response. Radical righthanders at least have good old Hannity to fall back on, because, ....

5. You all saw and heard none other than that bastion of modulation, Newt Gingrich on "Meet The Press" today bashing the Bush Administration for it's failure to execute Middle East policy successfully. I thought Russert was going to toss his cookies he was so surprised. No political strategy for the Iraqi nation, no reaching out to the Sunnis (read oil money) and just total and utter failure at military infrastructure. Like me, 60% of Americans and about 95% of the rest of the world, he's just tired of Bush's and Rumsfel'ds failure to get the job done.

Don't get me wrong. I didn't think the war was a terrible idea. But it would be nice if we weren't acting like the clown army of the world in Iraq. I also voted for Bush, twice. I admit my hand shook a bit in '04 as I voted. But after all, as Lewis Black says, "what the hell is there to do when your choices are two bowls of sh1t?"

6. We did see Condie Rice say that while Israel has the right to defend itself, there is no chance for peace without a 2-state solution. Nice to hear, but really, it is so very lamentable that it takes this kind of action to get the Roadmap To Peace" back into meaningful dialogue. And poorly advised of the U.S. to say this. It only serves to boost Hezbollah and the extreme portion of Hamas in importance. Not sure I'd have done that.

7. Bush's remarks today and yesterday also have to be of concern to the ultra-radical right here and in Israel. He certainly doesn't come across as particularly happy.

8. Iraq coalition nations are obviously getting pissed off at having to do Israel's heavy lifting in Iraq and are wanting to see some closure to the Israeli-Palestinian crisis. While it's comforting to know that Estonia (35 troops currently in Iraq), Macedonia (33) and Kazakhstan (28) are ommitted, ALL the nations of the world are asking, "Where the heck are the Israeli troops?" Can someone tell us why Israel has not had a single soldier on the ground in Iraq?

9. It's sad to see the fledgling democray in Lebanon being held hostage. The government is fairly weak and their army is not all that loyal. Instead of embracing Lebanon and making sure the UN placed security troops in the southern part of that nation, the U.S. and Israel found other things to do. Also, the U.S. and Israel took the shortest, easiest path in Lebanon and did not force out the Hezbollah group totally from power.

10. Whatever happened to that s.o.b. Osama Bin Laden? That guy is a mofo for sure, but he has got to be first-ballot for sure into the Hide-and-go-Seek Hall of Fame.

12. As an aside... 15% Oil. 15% Precious Metals. 70% Cash. Wait until you see the end of all this mess, which of course, will be when you see...

12. The King of Jordan!!! Once he gets involved (and you see him on the BROADCAST national news), it's pretty much a solved situation and a done deal. Get back in the next morning!

13. The world is expressing it's disdain for US and Israeli policy. The world is tired of the legitimacy brought to Hezbollah by the Gaza and Golan issues. The world wants to see this end... and the only way, according to the world, is to remove the reasons for legitimizing Hezbollah and other thugly folks. Get the peace process going and going strong, never stop no matter what... that way, there is no legitimizing issue for the Hezbo. It is really that simple. Even if it isn't, it ain't exactly as if what the U.S. and Israel are doing is working now!

Make peace not war.

All sounds good...but how do you have a peace process when one side is populated with thugs, murderers and terrorists who don't want peace...will never accept a peaceful solution unless it involves the eradication of every last Jew in the Middle East (for now, later it will be our turn)???

[Seattleallstar]

There were innocent Germans we carpet bombed the **** out of in WWII, does that mean we shouldn't have done what was necessary to take a a stand against Hitler?
The mark of a true man is one that can accept ugliness, unideal moral behavior. and micro-stupidity as a fact of life, yet understand the innerworkings of such and use them to achieve the maximum possible greater good for humanity. "And then I realized they were stronger than we. Because they could stand that these were not monsters. These were men.trained cadres. These men who fought with their hearts, who had families, who had children, who were filled with love,but they had the strength,the strength... to do that. If I had ten divisions of those men our troubles here would be over very quickly. You have to have men who are moral... and at the same time who are able to utilize their primordial instincts to kill without feeling... without passion,without judgment. Because it's judgment that defeats us. "

That quote it says is to do what is necessary takes sacrifice, even if it means your soul.

So for you urban snobs, left/right wing religious idiots, and self serving intellectual "elites," You score 0 points witht the rest of us who weren't born into circumstances of being rich, elite.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by Seattleallstar

There were innocent Germans we carpet bombed the **** out of in WWII, does that mean we shouldn't have done what was necessary to take a a stand against Hitler?
The mark of a true man is one that can accept ugliness, unideal moral behavior. and micro-stupidity as a fact of life, yet understand the innerworkings of such and use them to achieve the maximum possible greater good for humanity. "And then I realized they were stronger than we. Because they could stand that these were not monsters. These were men.trained cadres. These men who fought with their hearts, who had families, who had children, who were filled with love,but they had the strength,the strength... to do that. If I had ten divisions of those men our troubles here would be over very quickly. You have to have men who are moral... and at the same time who are able to utilize their primordial instincts to kill without feeling... without passion,without judgment. Because it's judgment that defeats us. "

That quote it says is to do what is necessary takes sacrifice, even if it means your soul.

So for you urban snobs, left/right wing religious idiots, and self serving intellectual "elites," You score 0 points witht the rest of us who weren't born into circumstances of being rich, elite.

you need a a trip to the blue oyster and your love problems will be solved..you may walk funny though//not that its wrong.......its raining ten divisions of men halah looya....lmfao..

[Seattleallstar]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

you need a a trip to the blue oyster and your love problems will be solved..you may walk funny though//not that its wrong.......its raining ten divisions of men halah looya....lmfao..

what the hell kind of response was that

Originally Posted by Seattleallstar

what the hell kind of response was that

Please explain your rather loopy post first ... then we can get to the other one.

Originally Posted by Seattleallstar

There were innocent Germans we carpet bombed the **** out of in WWII, does that mean we shouldn't have done what was necessary to take a a stand against Hitler?
The mark of a true man is one that can accept ugliness, unideal moral behavior. and micro-stupidity as a fact of life, yet understand the innerworkings of such and use them to achieve the maximum possible greater good for humanity. "And then I realized they were stronger than we. Because they could stand that these were not monsters. These were men.trained cadres. These men who fought with their hearts, who had families, who had children, who were filled with love,but they had the strength,the strength... to do that. If I had ten divisions of those men our troubles here would be over very quickly. You have to have men who are moral... and at the same time who are able to utilize their primordial instincts to kill without feeling... without passion,without judgment. Because it's judgment that defeats us. "

That quote it says is to do what is necessary takes sacrifice, even if it means your soul.

So for you urban snobs, left/right wing religious idiots, and self serving intellectual "elites," You score 0 points witht the rest of us who weren't born into circumstances of being rich, elite.

Umm... aren't you the person that talks about how you drive around your mom's BMW 740Li and that you shop and Burberry? I guess driving around Mommy and Daddy's 75K (base price) car doesn't make you privileged. Or is all that BMW/Burberry talk a lie?

[Seattleallstar]

Originally Posted by Society Selection

Umm... aren't you the person that talks about how you drive around your mom's BMW 740Li and that you shop and Burberry? I guess driving around Mommy and Daddy's 75K (base price) car doesn't make you privileged. Or is all that BMW/Burberry talk a lie?

wasnt born rich or privillaged, all that stuff just recently came in the past 5 years due to hard work and smart investments by my parents.

Dad came to America with 25 dollars in his pocket, washed dishes and swept floors

Originally Posted by Seattleallstar

Dad came to America with 25 dollars in his pocket, washed dishes and swept floors

And you should be very grateful that he did so ... instead of bashing the country which made his and your success, comfort, and safety possible.

And there's nothing unique about your family's experience ... it has happened tens of millions of times in this blessed country. My grandparents didn't have two nickels to rub together when they came here ... in fact ... if someone gave them a nickel ... they still wouldn't have had two nickels.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Seattleallstar

There were innocent Germans we carpet bombed the **** out of in WWII, does that mean we shouldn't have done what was necessary to take a a stand against Hitler?
The mark of a true man is one that can accept ugliness, unideal moral behavior. and micro-stupidity as a fact of life, yet understand the innerworkings of such and use them to achieve the maximum possible greater good for humanity. "And then I realized they were stronger than we. Because they could stand that these were not monsters. These were men.trained cadres. These men who fought with their hearts, who had families, who had children, who were filled with love,but they had the strength,the strength... to do that. If I had ten divisions of those men our troubles here would be over very quickly. You have to have men who are moral... and at the same time who are able to utilize their primordial instincts to kill without feeling... without passion,without judgment. Because it's judgment that defeats us. "

That quote it says is to do what is necessary takes sacrifice, even if it means your soul.

So for you urban snobs, left/right wing religious idiots, and self serving intellectual "elites," You score 0 points witht the rest of us who weren't born into circumstances of being rich, elite.

Yikes! You cannot defend that which is wrong by cloaking it in necessity, turning men into brainwashed sheep may produce a mighty army but it will not protect each soul from the consequences of immoral acts. Judgement translates to choices and free will mandates that every choice has a consequence. A person cannot be moral and kill without feeling...in war, we take life least ours be taken yet it should haunt us forever, otherwise our very existence is meaningless...life is about choices, love and pain, there is no escape from that and only a fool tries to minimize or justify that which can not be justified!

I would like all to note how quiet Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan, and other middle eastern countries have been. Iran is a Persian country and is funding terrorist groups that these countries do not particular like.

Hezbollah has made a grave error. The Israelis know that most of Southern Lebanon has tunnels and other havens for weapons built right under the houses of innocent Lebanese that protested the involvement of Syria in the first place. Leaflets where dropped and they explained that the area would be bombed because of the weapons and tunnels that hide all these rockets raining down on innocent civilians in Israel.

Let us please try to never mix the Israelis with the terrorist they are attempting to fight. We can complain that Israel has made a mistake in bombing too much infrastructure and not taking enough care to miss the innocents. But never ever mistake the basic moral values behind these terrorists and Israel.

Israeli planes dropped leaflets over parts of southern Lebanon, urging civilians to leave. Israeli Army officials say that Hezbollah stores rockets and portable launchers among the civilian population, in apartments, garages and shops.



Does Hezbollah send messages to innocent Iraelis telling them rockets might hit them in the next hour, please take caution? Do Iran and Syria send intellegence reports to Israel telling them, "look these monsters that we have given weapons to, they plan to strike...." Nopes. Never ever mistake the basic humanitarian differences between the Israelis and the terrorist groups supported by Iran and Syria.

What would we do if Mexican terrorist groups randomly started lauching rockets into LA and Houston? You think we stand by and let this happen? No way. Put yourself in the place of the Israelis. And then put yourself in the place of all the innocent Muslim people that just want to live a peaceful existence and raise their children without having to leave and hide and starve. Syrian and Iran send the supplies for this disaster, and innocent Palestinians and Lebanese pay the awful price. And they just sit back thinking" we got a bunch of human bombs to make things tough on Israel while we just sit back and watch all the fun".
This will end. Syria and Iran are going to feel what it is like to use others to suffer for their zealotry.

Originally Posted by pgardn

Syria and Iran are going to feel what it is like to use others to suffer for their zealotry.

Let us pray so.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Yikes! You cannot defend that which is wrong by cloaking it in necessity, turning men into brainwashed sheep may produce a mighty army but it will not protect each soul from the consequences of immoral acts. Judgement translates to choices and free will mandates that every choice has a consequence. A person cannot be moral and kill without feeling...in war, we take life least ours be taken yet it should haunt us forever, otherwise our very existence is meaningless...life is about choices, love and pain, there is no escape from that and only a fool tries to minimize or justify that which can not be justified!

Well spoken Somer! As for others posters, as far I'm concerned...Our first mistake was giving a DAMN what other countries in the world think! And the second was currying favor and influence(with cash) to many countries who didn't know how to utilize money we supplied(for generations).