If Beyer writes a new book on synthetic surfaces.....

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I think the problem is more the way the tracks are being prepared in the US.

2:01 isn't a track record on Polytrack in Europe - it's pretty much the standard time.

[MisterB]

Euro racing without leaving the States

[pba1817]

I am not sure why everyone is so pissed about Polytrack.

Did the people who sold the industry on Poly lie about it never needing to be adjusted or maintained? Yes, but I do not know too many salesman that dont lie to make a sale, do you?

Is it safe? overwhelmingly it has been at Del Mar.

Are the field sizes larger? yes.

Are the slow fractional and final times hard to swallow, yes, but I don't care how slow they go if I have the correct numbers on my ticket, I am happy!!

I enjoy the fact that the big black bold number(Beyer) in the Daily Racing Form is not the gospel any longer, it actually has made handicapping fun again for me.

I can only watch so many main track 3-5 shots at Monmouth, Saratoga, and Calder... give me some VALUE!!!

Is handicapping harder, Yes!!(especially if you are a buyer into the Beyer speed figures) And with that, we are seeing a lot better payouts. Personally, I would rather struggle to hit just a couple tickets a day and walk away big in the black that what it used to be, hit numerous tickets and barely be even, or even a loser.

I am not claiming to be an expert/professional handicapper, anyone who does is a liar IMO. Not one person can simply bet horses for a living and survive in the long run. They either have a supplemental source of income, made money elsewhere before getting into betting, received an inheritance, or are living off of someone else.

I play roughly 30 races a week. For the most part, my betting strategy is worse than my handicapping, I think we all suffer from that problem.

[Bobby Fischer]

The bad thing about polytrack is the aesthetics.

It's junk. Its bushleague.

I hate seeing the brilliant dirt horses removed from Classic distance racing. I hate seeing some 12 furlong turf horse win the Breeders Cup Classic, while the next Cigar is all out to finish fourth.

The good thing about polytrack is that everyone still bets the next Cigar, and if you key a few of the turf horses, with a lot of coverage, you can get a $5,000 trifecta. (eventually, when that temporary advantage wears out... )

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

The bad thing about polytrack is the aesthetics.

It's junk. Its bushleague.

I hate seeing the brilliant dirt horses removed from Classic distance racing. I hate seeing some 12 furlong turf horse win the Breeders Cup Classic, while the next Cigar is all out to finish fourth.

The good thing about polytrack is that everyone still bets the next Cigar, and if you key a few of the turf horses, with a lot of coverage, you can get a $5,000 trifecta. (eventually, when that temporary advantage wears out... )

which brilliant dirt horses have been removed from classic distance racing?

when will we see the Breeders Cup classic run on polytrack? (reminder polytrack is installed at Turfway, Woodbine, Keeneland, Arlington, and DelMar)

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

which brilliant dirt horses have been removed from classic distance racing?

when will we see the Breeders Cup classic run on polytrack? (reminder polytrack is installed at Turfway, Woodbine, Keeneland, Arlington, and DelMar)

I guess you actually have to have some brilliant classic dirt horses before they can be removed... It depends how loosely you use the term with today's group of horses.

Right now Cushion track is getting a great rep as being "fair". They are considered "fair" in comparison with the more extreme polytrack and also in a large part due to Lava Man. Lava Man continued his dominance... therefore cushion track is fair...
We can't forget that he is a versatile horse with GI wins on dirt and California turf.

We already have the 2008 BC on cushion track, polytrack isn't far behind, particularly if this junk gets installed on any of the major east coast tracks

[JJP]

Polytrack......the best thing to happen to the harness racing industry.