Final Verdict ... Fog Is A Fraud

[Rupert Pupkin]

LITF's record speaks for itself. He won 10 races in a row and has won either 6 or 7 graded stakes races. When you have 11 wins from 14 lifetime starts including 6 or 7 graded stakes wins, you know you have a pretty special horse.
I'm not a huge LITF fan either. We tend to like the horses that we have made money on. I've never made any money on LITF. I rarely bet favorites, and I have never bet on LITF. I've bet against him a few times and I usually got burned because he usually beat me. He's a tough horse. I have a lot of respect for him. I thought it was amazing how he kept winning last year despite the fact that they kept shipping him all over the place. He really only ran in two easy spots all year. He had those two easy races in Northern California, but aside from that he was shipping all over the country running in graded stakes races. If what he did last year was not impressive, then I'd like to know what is. I'd like someone to name me a horse who has had a more impressive campaign the last few years than that. I don't know if there are any. If there are, you can count them on one hand.

[Gander]

Three nice horses who like this track(E Breeze,L M Alone,and LITF)

Scuds- Leave Me Alone hasnt won a race since the Test at Saratoga almost 1year ago, shes had 7 or 8 tries. Her form the last couple months has been an utter mess. Shes lost miserably at Belmont, Churchill and now Calder in her last 3.

Not sure about the other 2 hosses you mentioned but Leave Me Alone needs a vacation, its not the track.

[horseofcourse]

I'd have to say BB is wrong in this case. This horse was simply the best 3 year old sprinter in the world last year and never lost to another 3 year old until the BC Classic. Most horses are frauds. Silver Train can't run away from Belmont Park, he is even skipping SAratoga this year. I call him more of a fraud then Lost in the Fog. Lava Man is a fraud. He can't run away from California. Perfect Drift is a fraud, he rarely wins. Funny Cide is a fraud, he rarely wins any more. Songster is a fraud. He can't run in slop. Bernardini is a fraud. He rarely runs and got beat his first out proving his frauddom. Secretariat was a fraud, who got exposed by Jerkins twice showing what a fraud he was. Mayan King is a fraud, he finished 13th of 13 in freaking Iowa. Brass Hat is a fraud, he is hurt again. Bold Ruler especially was a fraud, nice race in the biggest race in America. He failed miserably on the biggest stage in America just as Fog did. His other races carrying 800 lbs simply don't matter. Scratch them.

Every single thoroughbred is a fraud BB, it can be proven by me over and over by virtually anyone. You think this is superior thought process you are using here to make people mad. Wow, scintillating! Your useless whining about your genius is stupid and insane. It seems you are more obsessed with the people on the other forum than we are with you!

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

I'd have to say BB is wrong in this case. This horse was simply the best 3 year old sprinter in the world last year and never lost to another 3 year old until the BC Classic. Most horses are frauds. Silver Train can't run away from Belmont Park, he is even skipping SAratoga this year. I call him more of a fraud then Lost in the Fog. Lava Man is a fraud. He can't run away from California. Perfect Drift is a fraud, he rarely wins. Funny Cide is a fraud, he rarely wins any more. Songster is a fraud. He can't run in slop. Bernardini is a fraud. He rarely runs and got beat his first out proving his frauddom. Secretariat was a fraud, who got exposed by Jerkins twice showing what a fraud he was. Mayan King is a fraud, he finished 13th of 13 in freaking Iowa. Brass Hat is a fraud, he is hurt again. Bold Ruler especially was a fraud, nice race in the biggest race in America. He failed miserably on the biggest stage in America just as Fog did. His other races carrying 800 lbs simply don't matter. Scratch them.

Every single thoroughbred is a fraud BB, it can be proven by me over and over by virtually anyone. You think this is superior thought process you are using here to make people mad. Wow, scintillating! Your useless whining about your genius is stupid and insane. It seems you are more obsessed with the people on the other forum than we are with you!

Well said and of course BB is wrong. He never has offered an original thought and just revels in narrow world of self-proclaimed superiority. At some point, save Personal Ensign, they ALL lose. You, now it, I know it, everyone knows it. This guy just revels in looking baackwards and finding a way to proclaim himself a genius. Noone buys his act.

LITF is probably a little overhyped, but no fraud. The best sprinter in the country though is up in NY today. If Anew beats the Train on his own track than Anew is clearly the horse to beat in the sprint division.

[Gander]

I cant wait to watch this race today (Tom Fool) at belmont. Once again Belmont is showing why it is clearly the premier track in the country. Its also one of the least biased race track out there. Any running style can win. And people wonder why so many horses ship there.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Gander

I cant wait to watch this race today (Tom Fool) at belmont. Once again Belmont is showing why it is clearly the premier track in the country. Its also one of the least biased race track out there. Any running style can win. And people wonder why so many horses ship there.

Homer Pyle

[irishtrekker]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

I'd have to say BB is wrong in this case. This horse was simply the best 3 year old sprinter in the world last year and never lost to another 3 year old until the BC Classic. Most horses are frauds. Silver Train can't run away from Belmont Park, he is even skipping SAratoga this year. I call him more of a fraud then Lost in the Fog. Lava Man is a fraud. He can't run away from California. Perfect Drift is a fraud, he rarely wins. Funny Cide is a fraud, he rarely wins any more. Songster is a fraud. He can't run in slop. Bernardini is a fraud. He rarely runs and got beat his first out proving his frauddom. Secretariat was a fraud, who got exposed by Jerkins twice showing what a fraud he was. Mayan King is a fraud, he finished 13th of 13 in freaking Iowa. Brass Hat is a fraud, he is hurt again. Bold Ruler especially was a fraud, nice race in the biggest race in America. He failed miserably on the biggest stage in America just as Fog did. His other races carrying 800 lbs simply don't matter. Scratch them.

Every single thoroughbred is a fraud BB, it can be proven by me over and over by virtually anyone. You think this is superior thought process you are using here to make people mad. Wow, scintillating! Your useless whining about your genius is stupid and insane. It seems you are more obsessed with the people on the other forum than we are with you!

Much agreed, horseofcourse. As others have already pointed out, LITF traveled extensively last year, and if other challengers decided not to show up, you can't really blame him. Is he the best sprinter ever? Of course not. At the same time, his record last year was incredibly impressive and he's still managed to win this year despite losing his edge. He's not tops this year, but it's ignorant to knock last year when he clearly was the best sprinter on the block. How many other horses in the BCS even ran that often or traveled that much? It had to take a toll on him sometime, and it happened in the BCS. He had one bad race and 10 good ones. What a "fraud".

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by irishtrekker

Much agreed, horseofcourse. As others have already pointed out, LITF traveled extensively last year, and if other challengers decided not to show up, you can't really blame him. Is he the best sprinter ever? Of course not. At the same time, his record last year was incredibly impressive and he's still managed to win this year despite losing his edge. He's not tops this year, but it's ignorant to knock last year when he clearly was the best sprinter on the block. How many other horses in the BCS even ran that often or traveled that much? It had to take a toll on him sometime, and it happened in the BCS. He had one bad race and 10 good ones. What a "fraud".

Irish,
Well said.
Only one fraud here. I won't mention any name.

They don't give out Eclipse awards to frauds. He has a grade 1, multiple grade 2's and his times were pretty impressive. Overhyped, yes, fraud, no. They have been the beneficiary of some weak fields, but primarily because horses avoided him. He is the Kings Bishop, Riva Ridge, Bay Shore and Swale winner. Pretty good in my opinion.

Originally Posted by boldruler

They don't give out Eclipse awards to frauds. He has a grade 1, multiple grade 2's and his times were pretty impressive. Overhyped, yes, fraud, no. They have been the beneficiary of some weak fields, but primarily because horses avoided him. He is the Kings Bishop, Riva Ridge, Bay Shore and Swale winner. Pretty good in my opinion.

The Eclipse Award for best sprinter ... should go to the horse who was the best sprinter ... not to the horse who had the most wins against the softest opposition.

Last year ... Lost In The Fog wasn't even one of the ten best sprinters ... much less THE best sprinter. The award was a joke ... and the fraud of it all was borne out again yesterday.

In his entire career ... which ended yesterday ... he never beat a quality sprinter ... and never would have ... because he was incapable of doing so.

Originally Posted by irishtrekker

Much agreed, horseofcourse. As others have already pointed out, LITF traveled extensively last year, and if other challengers decided not to show up, you can't really blame him. Is he the best sprinter ever? Of course not. At the same time, his record last year was incredibly impressive and he's still managed to win this year despite losing his edge. He's not tops this year, but it's ignorant to knock last year when he clearly was the best sprinter on the block. How many other horses in the BCS even ran that often or traveled that much? It had to take a toll on him sometime, and it happened in the BCS. He had one bad race and 10 good ones. What a "fraud".

What you say about his racing against whomever showed up last year is absolutely true. He can't be faulted because his rivals were godawful.

But ... on the other hand ... astute observers recognized the weakness of his opposition and wanted to see how he'd do against quality sprinters. And ... even though the BC Sprint field was way, way weaker than in most previous years ... we all saw what happened. And if that wasn't convincing enough ... what happened yesterday brought it all home.

Meanwhile ... our intelligence was being insulted ... and our characters were being assaulted ... by naïve goo-goos who had already declared him to be faster than Pegasus.

Lost In The Fog benefited from being born in a year when there we no good sprinters his age. If he had been born a year later ... we never would have heard of him.

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

Every single thoroughbred is a fraud BB, it can be proven by me over and over by virtually anyone. You think this is superior thought process you are using here to make people mad. Wow, scintillating! Your useless whining about your genius is stupid and insane. It seems you are more obsessed with the people on the other forum than we are with you!

Before last year's BC Sprint ... Lost Like A Fraud was being acclaimed by the goo-goos as being the fastest thing since Dr. Fa-ger ... faster even.

His reputation as a "great" horse was equivalent to Andy Kaufman's as a wrestler or Cosmo Kramer as a karate champion ... it was based on easy wins over a dreadful bunch of chumps.

The first time he faced a quality field ... Lost Like A Fraud cracked like an egg going into a soufflé. And he did it again yesterday.

Bottom line ... this horse is just cheap speed who looks good against chumps ... and that's nowhere near comparable to real quality horses who have the occasional bad day.

And as far as that "other" forum's members concerned ... they're the ones who are following me to this one ... not vice versa ... as well they should ... because their lives are dark and bitter without the inspiration and enlightenment I provide to their miserable existences.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

I'd have to say BB is wrong in this case. This horse was simply the best 3 year old sprinter in the world last year and never lost to another 3 year old until the BC Classic. Most horses are frauds. Silver Train can't run away from Belmont Park, he is even skipping SAratoga this year. I call him more of a fraud then Lost in the Fog. Lava Man is a fraud. He can't run away from California. Perfect Drift is a fraud, he rarely wins. Funny Cide is a fraud, he rarely wins any more. Songster is a fraud. He can't run in slop. Bernardini is a fraud. He rarely runs and got beat his first out proving his frauddom. Secretariat was a fraud, who got exposed by Jerkins twice showing what a fraud he was. Mayan King is a fraud, he finished 13th of 13 in freaking Iowa. Brass Hat is a fraud, he is hurt again. Bold Ruler especially was a fraud, nice race in the biggest race in America. He failed miserably on the biggest stage in America just as Fog did. His other races carrying 800 lbs simply don't matter. Scratch them.

Every single thoroughbred is a fraud BB, it can be proven by me over and over by virtually anyone. You think this is superior thought process you are using here to make people mad. Wow, scintillating! Your useless whining about your genius is stupid and insane. It seems you are more obsessed with the people on the other forum than we are with you!

I think you could be a substitute teacher for Danzig.I can't believe 2 people could write in almost the exact same style,but it's possible.

[Danzig]

just got back in--was going to reply to the absolutely ridiculous post that started all this, but i don't think i can say anything more than what was already said.

lost in the fog: 14 starts 11 wins (6 of them graded stakes) $978k won. eclipse winning sprinter. oh yeah, that's fraudulent. may i ever own anything that comes close to resembling this 'fraud'.


oh, and such absolute BRAVERY by the original poster of this thread....why, only the TRULY TALENTED would go out on a limb to choose a loser. much more useful than anyone who puts up the WINNER.

Originally Posted by Danzig188

lost in the fog: 14 starts 11 wins (6 of them graded stakes) $978k won. eclipse winning sprinter. oh yeah, that's fraudulent. may i ever own anything that comes close to resembling this 'fraud'.

Andy Kaufman ... 74 wrestling matches ... 73 wins ... multi-millionaire ... World Intergender Champion ... nothing fraudulent about that either.

Originally Posted by Danzig188

... eclipse winning sprinter. oh yeah, that's fraudulent.

Honesty Test ...

Do you believe that Lost In The Fog was the best sprinter in the U.S.A. in 2005 ... that is ... if all the best sprinters ... of any age ... ran against each other at 6f at weight-for-age ... and they all ran their best races ... do you believe that Lost In The Fog would have won?

[Downthestretch55]

Watch the "back peddling" folks.
Here comes the justification for the ridiculous thread.
Grasping.
Found to be a fraud.
A legend in his own mind...the wit. He got that 1/2 right.

[TheSpyder]

BB,

Have to agree with a lot of other posters. What is a fraud and more importantly who are the "goo goo's" you're trying to defend against?

LITF is a very good horse, maybe not a super great horse. How many horses each year achieve the results that he did? I guess less that 1%.

I expect from the number of posts you make that you are a very good handicaper and maybe not a super great handicapper....

...now does that make you a fraud? Maybe the goo goo's can answer that, but why should they?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

I think you could be a substitute teacher for Danzig.I can't believe 2 people could write in almost the exact same style,but it's possible.

you really think we're similar? i like the posters sarcasm, i must admit! but please scuds, don't start another is this poster that poster deal. i barely have the time to post at all, let alone invent a second id.