Tiger Woods

[GPK]

Originally Posted by pmayjr

I'm about to say a very incriminating statement:
The LPGA isn't here anymore lol? Actually you're right, but when it was here there was no Paula Creamer, Gulbis, Ochoa, Wie, bla bla bla.

We got Luara Davies, Annika Sorentstam, Karie Webb, and Se Ri Pak. Good players, former Hooters waitresses I know, but just not the buzz that the current women get.
The seniors draw well every summer though.

...and Leslie Spalding....T21 in 1997. GPK was on the bag

[Samarta]

I'm not sure what's more ridiculous, the Ryder Cup statement or the saying he doesn't support the tour. Last time I checked Tiger was just one player on a 12 man team. There are a lot of reasons why the Euro's keep winning this thing and I can assure you that none of them have anything to do with Tiger Woods.

Kev's right, Tiger is the reason the purse money is what it is. They should all kiss his ass every chance they get. Last time I checked, he brought the PGA back to D.C. by hosting a tournament. The money he spends on his learning centers. The list goes on and on.

Do I think the PGA should step in and tell these guys that over say a 3 year period, you must play every stop at least once. Sure. But until then he has the right to pick and choose as he sees fit. He was a late scratch. Happens all the time.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Tiger is not exactly a person who is hard to read.One thing I know is that this guy is way too self-centered to enjoy any team golf like Ryder Cup.I have had more experience than I wished with individuals like this.When they are mixing their talents with other people's talents (for a common result,) they feel like they are at the dentist."When can I go home?" It's usually an uncomfortable experience for them,because they are usually struggling with the fact that they have given up "control." See they hate to be wrong,or make mistakes.Now,factor in the fact that they can't control how well their fellow team members are playing.This is why Tiger doesn't look like he is having any fun during the Ryder Cup.All these players know he doesn't really want to be there sharing a result with them.So,you begin the Ryder Cup every 2 years with this little fake situation going on.What it results in is zero team chemistry.They would be better off if he was injured before the Ryder Cup,and couldn't play(the chemistry would be much better.)It's not like he plays that well at those matches anyways.

[timmgirvan]

I don't know WHO you're watching....but it ain't TW! It be that way in your biz,Scuds, but every thing that Woods does supports the people around him. He hardly needs the adulation of the masses when the proof is before them! I really don't know what you're grousing about?

[Samarta]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Tiger is not exactly a person who is hard to read.One thing I know is that this guy is way too self-centered to enjoy any team golf like Ryder Cup.I have had more experience than I wished with individuals like this.When they are mixing their talents with other people's talents (for a common result,) they feel like they are at the dentist."When can I go home?" It's usually an uncomfortable experience for them,because they are usually struggling with the fact that they have given up "control." See they hate to be wrong,or make mistakes.Now,factor in the fact that they can't control how well their fellow team members are playing.This is why Tiger doesn't look like he is having any fun during the Ryder Cup.All these players know he doesn't really want to be there sharing a result with them.So,you begin the Ryder Cup every 2 years with this little fake situation going on.What it results in is zero team chemistry.They would be better off if he was injured before the Ryder Cup,and couldn't play(the chemistry would be much better.)It's not like he plays that well at those matches anyways.

Oh I'm not saying for a minute that there isn't a ton of ego involved, but it ain't all Tiger. In fact, next years Captain is one of the biggest jerks out there. The difference is that because of logistics, the Euro's are a team for 2 years and the US team is a team for that week. The Euro's travel together on the tour, their wives are friends, their kids go to school together. So when they have to play together as a team, it's a walk in the park. Oh by the way European team, you have to play against 12 players from the U.S. that don't really know each other and are going to be thrust into perhaps the most pressure packed event in all of sports. I'll be waiting on Sunday with the champagne. It's that simple.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Tiger is not exactly a person who is hard to read.One thing I know is that this guy is way too self-centered to enjoy any team golf like Ryder Cup.I have had more experience than I wished with individuals like this.When they are mixing their talents with other people's talents (for a common result,) they feel like they are at the dentist."When can I go home?" It's usually an uncomfortable experience for them,because they are usually struggling with the fact that they have given up "control." See they hate to be wrong,or make mistakes.Now,factor in the fact that they can't control how well their fellow team members are playing.This is why Tiger doesn't look like he is having any fun during the Ryder Cup.All these players know he doesn't really want to be there sharing a result with them.So,you begin the Ryder Cup every 2 years with this little fake situation going on.What it results in is zero team chemistry.They would be better off if he was injured before the Ryder Cup,and couldn't play(the chemistry would be much better.)It's not like he plays that well at those matches anyways.

99% of the guys on tour are self centered. You have to be.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by GPK

99% of the guys on tour are self centered. You have to be.

Of course,athletes are usually self-centered,but not to the point that they can't enjoy team play.Most of these guys on the PGA Tour say they love to play the team golf.Tiger just doesn't like it.He can't control it(the outcome.)That is just not something that is part of his make-up,and, like I said,I see this in some other very talented people.It's either of 2 situations(or both.) Either their ego is just way too big to allow considering others to be their equals,or they hate to fail (hate to make mistakes) so much that they hate to ever give up the steering wheel.

Wow,the Parker M guy really gave it up on the Nationwide T today.

[Samarta]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Of course,athletes are usually self-centered,but not to the point that they can't enjoy team play.Most of these guys on the PGA Tour say they love to play the team golf.Tiger just doesn't like it.He can't control it(the outcome.)That is just not something that is part of his make-up,and, like I said,I see this in some other very talented people.It's either of 2 situations(or both.) Either their ego is just way too big to allow considering others to be their equals,or they hate to fail (hate to make mistakes) so much that they hate to ever give up the steering wheel.

Wow,the Parker M guy really gave it up on the Nationwide T today.

I don't think it's either of that. If you are talking strictly about the Ryder Cup, I think it just comes down to the fact that the Europeans get along better and they are flat out mentally tougher than we are. I'll take the Scot, the Irishman, or the Brit to an alley fight any day over the guy from the Woodlands or Isleworth.