Rags to Riches considered possible (barely) for travers

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by GPK

Thanks. No idea how I made it this long without you...

I'm just in sheer amazement that you've made it without some grits.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

I'm just in sheer amazement that you've made it without some grits.

True....but that just is on a whole other level.

[viscount26]

Originally Posted by GPK

Thanks. No idea how I made it this long without you...

Poor Kev

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Rags

Last time I looked you were a little under $6,000,000 in earnings this year

Is that the cut off point to which one must adhere to, to comment on trainers?

I thought Mike Vick was a bad guy but I guess I'll have to go kill a couple of dogs to be qualified to comment.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Rags

My boyfriend is. He's about the best in the game.

And this makes YOU an expert?.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Rags

My boyfriend is. He's about the best in the game.

who's your boyfriend, jamie sanders?

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by miraja2

There is something VERY familiar about your style sir.
But the key is that your BOYfriend couldn't possibly be the best in the game, because the best in the game isn't even a boy. Jamie Sanders is a woman.

damn you!

[gamblin4ever]

If a trainer wants to dodge the competition by going in an easier spot then thats fine. But, if they enter a horse then scratch after entries are taken w/o valid excuse(like an injury), then the trainer should be fined. IMO this would limit trainers from entering and then scratching b/c the race came up too tough for their horse.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by gamblin4ever

If a trainer wants to dodge the competition by going in an easier spot then thats fine. But, if they enter a horse then scratch after entries are taken w/o valid excuse(like an injury), then the trainer should be fined. IMO this would limit trainers from entering and then scratching b/c the race came up too tough for their horse.

Exactly how much of a fine would be a deterent?
Do you know how easy it is to come up with a valid excuse?

[parsixfarms]

I was looking at the PPs for tomorrow's third race. Who scratches: Argentina or Wingspan?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

She is at Saratoga and unfortunately you missed meeting her.

Wait, GRITS is there?

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Wait, GRITS is there?

Yup and apparently someone else was too but he doesn't say hello.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

I was only there on Saturday....

I was so busy, I didn't even get a chance to look for the great Andy Serling.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

And this makes YOU an expert?.

Balletto returning as Bobby Frankel's girlfriend just made my day.

I'm serious!

[gamblin4ever]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Exactly how much of a fine would be a deterent?
Do you know how easy it is to come up with a valid excuse?

Not sure on amt. of the fine and valid excuse should be backed up by a vet or steward.

Not trying to change the industry, just tired of seeing trainers scratch horses b/c of weights,post,pace,etc.

If you don't have deterrents in place, trainers like Frankel will enter and then scratch b/c his horse is giving up too much weight. (just an example)
That way we don't end up w/ Graded Stakes w/ 5 horse fields, due to scratches.

I guess i'm just venting frustration..sorry

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by gamblin4ever

Not sure on amt. of the fine and valid excuse should be backed up by a vet or steward.

Not trying to change the industry, just tired of seeing trainers scratch horses b/c of weights,post,pace,etc.

If you don't have deterrents in place, trainers like Frankel will enter and then scratch b/c his horse is giving up too much weight. (just an example)
That way we don't end up w/ Graded Stakes w/ 5 horse fields, due to scratches.

I guess i'm just venting frustration..sorry

No reason to be sorry. But a $250 fine won't keep a guy from scratching especially out of a stake. You do forfeit your entry fee when you scratch out of a stake without a valid medical reason though and those are in the thousands sometimes. Of course it comes out of the owners account not the trainer.

[gamblin4ever]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

No reason to be sorry. But a $250 fine won't keep a guy from scratching especially out of a stake. You do forfeit your entry fee when you scratch out of a stake without a valid medical reason though and those are in the thousands sometimes. Of course it comes out of the owners account not the trainer.

True, how about too many scratches = automatic suspension, say 2 weeks, wouldn.t that be a laugh

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by gamblin4ever

True, how about too many scratches = automatic suspension, say 2 weeks, wouldn.t that be a laugh

You would have a lot more horses developing temperatures

[Danzig]

with the increases in handle, the money from slots...why aren't the top purses rising?
two networks that didn't exist a few years ago....coverage (albeit sporadic) on espn, etc....

so why don't the top purses go up? there have been across the board increases, yet the tops don't move an inch.

is it that the other races are the ones that sustain much of the industry?

there needs to be an incentive to run the best vs the best. trick is finding that incentive, and being able to afford it.

how valuable are eclipse awards to a horses future earnings in the shed? what if it was on a points system, rather than a vote? then those who dance the dances get rewarded, rather than a few that get votes based on name recognition.

[gamblin4ever]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You would have a lot more horses developing temperatures

conversation between Frankel and Stewards

BF: Yes this Bobby Frankel i need to scratch my horse from the race as i've started running a temp. I mean my horse has started running a temp.
ST: Very well Mr. Frankel make sure your horse brings in a doctors note.