Rags to Riches considered possible (barely) for travers

Cannon Shell · #1 08-20-2007, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by MisterB

Why only point out 2 trainers, they all do it.

Pletcher is the worst offender but Frankel hates to run if he is not 4/5.

parsixfarms · #2 08-20-2007, 02:49 PM

The striking thing about the meet that Pletcher is having is that he only has 4 seconds and 11 thirds, with an ITM% less than 37%. Not only are his horses not winning, most of them aren't running at all.

MisterB · #3 08-20-2007, 03:01 PM

I would think that pointing your horse to a softer spot, is what trainers are suppose to do. Don't they get paid to think too??

Winning is everything. Or should be.

Cannon Shell · #4 08-20-2007, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by MisterB

I would think that pointing your horse to a softer spot, is what trainers are suppose to do. Don't they get paid to think too??

Winning is everything. Or should be.

With inferior horses maybe but top horses should run in top races. If they consistently lose then they are not a top horse, just a reputation horse. But the problem is that Pletcher just keeps all of his horses apart, the owners accept it and instead of having quality grade 1 and 2 races at places like Saratoga we are left with mismatches like the upcoming Travers . Even the Alabama, while entertaining, was a staggerfest which Rags to Riches would have won 75% ready. But instead we are going to have her win a procession at Belmont in fron of an enthuistiac crowd of 4827. It is easy to say that you should spot the horses in the weakest spots possible but you can also say that these guys have no imagination or for the lack of a better word, balls.

Ronnie · #5 08-20-2007, 09:53 PM

Man would that be some drama that horse racing needs if Pletcher shows up Wednesday and declares that R2R is gonna run.

MisterB · #6 08-21-2007, 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

With inferior horses maybe but top horses should run in top races. If they consistently lose then they are not a top horse, just a reputation horse. But the problem is that Pletcher just keeps all of his horses apart, the owners accept it and instead of having quality grade 1 and 2 races at places like Saratoga we are left with mismatches like the upcoming Travers . Even the Alabama, while entertaining, was a staggerfest which Rags to Riches would have won 75% ready. But instead we are going to have her win a procession at Belmont in fron of an enthuistiac crowd of 4827. It is easy to say that you should spot the horses in the weakest spots possible but you can also say that these guys have no imagination or for the lack of a better word, balls.

I can agree with that, and now he is faced with owners facing off, going for a single spot. With Rags, he missed her training schedule. Could he push her up to the Travers, sure he could have. Does that move make sence?

MisterB · #7 08-21-2007, 06:02 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Your ridiculous defense of Frankel is getting to be almost as bad as Sumitas's poly bulls hit.

Were the hell do you get defence of Frankel from?? This is about all trainers who dodge or duck from each other. You honestly think these guy's are the only ones? WoW

MisterB · #8 08-21-2007, 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Please, this is at least the third different thread that you have defended his "methods" of scratching and ducking and dodging. I know what it is about and Frankel happens to be the one of, if not the biggest offenders.

If you think that, so be it. I could care less what his methods are. The road to the roses is full of Duckers and Dodgers trying to find the correct path to be amoung the top money makers. It is part of the Game. It is more important to get Bold Type, then to run out of the money. So what ever angle these trainers take to place their owners in a better spot, and get a better result is Ok with me.

Danzig · #9 08-20-2007, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Pletcher is the worst offender but Frankel hates to run if he is not 4/5.

and if he's carrying more than 115...

Rags · #10 08-21-2007, 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Pletcher is the worst offender but Frankel hates to run if he is not 4/5.

I don't want those grapes anyway. They're probably SOUR.

Last time I looked you were a little under $6,000,000 in earnings this year

viscount26 · #11 08-21-2007, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Rags

I don't want those grapes anyway. They're probably SOUR.

Last time I looked you were a little under $6,000,000 in earnings this year

I would say that's an insult to Chuck. Who is the bf anyway. I'm sure we could all way in with responses

SniperSB23 · #12 08-21-2007, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by viscount26

I would say that's an insult to Chuck. Who is the bf anyway. I'm sure we could all way in with responses

I'd like to see a statistic of earnings divided by the purchase value of all the horses in the barn. Would be interesting to see where her "boyfriend" fits in that statistic.

Cannon Shell · #13 08-21-2007, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Rags

Last time I looked you were a little under $6,000,000 in earnings this year

Is that the cut off point to which one must adhere to, to comment on trainers?

I thought Mike Vick was a bad guy but I guess I'll have to go kill a couple of dogs to be qualified to comment.

Rags · #14 08-22-2007, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Is that the cut off point to which one must adhere to, to comment on trainers?

I thought Mike Vick was a bad guy but I guess I'll have to go kill a couple of dogs to be qualified to comment.

Taking cheap shots at success in no way makes you a bad guy.

Mentioning Vick's name, even satirically, is doing one's self a great disservice.

Good luck Sunday if your race goes.

SniperSB23 · #15 08-22-2007, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Rags

Taking cheap shots at success in no way makes you a bad guy.

Mentioning Vick's name, even satirically, is doing one's self a great disservice.

Good luck Sunday if your race goes.

You've picked up an amazing amount of information in one day here.

Indian Charlie · #16 08-22-2007, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23

You've picked up an amazing amount of information in one day here.

well, she is jeff mullins's girlfriend after all.

Cannon Shell · #17 08-22-2007, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Rags

Taking cheap shots at success in no way makes you a bad guy.

Mentioning Vick's name, even satirically, is doing one's self a great disservice.

Good luck Sunday if your race goes.

Where did I take a cheap shot? The fact is that Frankel hates to not be 4/5 and wont run unless all things under the sun are pointing in his direction. I'll say it on here, on the radio, to Bobby himself. I'm sure that he could care less with what I say and would probably agree with me. As for Pletcher, he is always keeping his better horses away from each other which may make sense for HIS business but is bad for just about everyone else. I'm sure he could care less what I say and he would probably agree that he does just what I said.

By the way it believe it was you who took the cheap shot but I forgive you.

Rags · #18 08-23-2007, 12:13 AM

[quote=Cannon Shell] The fact is that Frankel hates to not be 4/5 and wont run unless all things under the sun are pointing in his direction. I'll say it on here, on the radio, to Bobby QUOTE]

Ask him where, and who taught him that one.

BTW, the less you talk to media imbeciles and the less you make yourself available to owners and interviews the better off you will be. This one you can carve in stone.

Once again, all the best.

letswastemoney · #19 08-23-2007, 12:18 AM

Rags could have crushed that Pacific Classic field and picked up an easy G1 against males