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Old 08-19-2007, 07:04 PM
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anyone who used 3rd or 4th tier 3yos from this crop of 3yos in this race truly needs their heads examined.
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Old 08-19-2007, 07:08 PM
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anyone who bet 3rd or 4th tier 3yos from this crop of 3yos in this race truly needs their heads examined.
Then again, u could have said the same thing for anyone that bet Student Council. On this junk, u might as well take a shot at boxing the longest shots on the board and see what happens. It's a crapshoot.
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Old 08-19-2007, 07:10 PM
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Then again, u could have said the same thing for anyone that bet Student Council. On this junk, u might as well take a shot at boxing the longest shots on the board and see what happens. It's a crapshoot.
true nuff KG, but still, i think i'm the only person remaining who thinks this crop of 3yos is just awful. the top 3 or so in the crop are pretty good animals, but beyond that, blech!

i think part of the reason the top few horses in this crop look so good to people is that there is such a profound lack of depth to this crop, they just standout over their competition so far.
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Old 08-19-2007, 07:22 PM
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true nuff KG, but still, i think i'm the only person remaining who thinks this crop of 3yos is just awful. the top 3 or so in the crop are pretty good animals, but beyond that, blech!

i think part of the reason the top few horses in this crop look so good to people is that there is such a profound lack of depth to this crop, they just standout over their competition so far.
U aren't the only one. I think Curlin is really good. I think Rags is special. I think I underrated how good Street Sense is at his best. Any Given Saturday is looking really good. But that's it for me for this division.
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Old 08-19-2007, 07:16 PM
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Then again, u could have said the same thing for anyone that bet Student Council. On this junk, u might as well take a shot at boxing the longest shots on the board and see what happens. It's a crapshoot.
i bet on Student Council. i thought he looked good against this group, according to all the speed numbers i looked at. a solid well bred horse heading out to face a softer group? and at those odds? i didn't understand why he was ignored but i'm not complaining.

if you look at his pp's he has the type of runstyle that is good for poly. he runs at a high consistent speed, and he has endurance to boot.
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Old 08-19-2007, 07:18 PM
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i bet on Student Council. i thought he looked good against this group, according to all the speed numbers i looked at. a solid well bred horse heading out to face a softer group? and at those odds? i didn't understand why he was ignored but i'm not complaining.

if you look at his pp's he has the type of runstyle that is good for poly. he runs at a high consistent speed, and he has endurance to boot.
is that allowable, saying on here you bet on a horse after the race?
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Old 08-19-2007, 07:27 PM
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is that allowable, saying on here you bet on a horse after the race?
no it is frowned upon by many, but then i've noticed that the same people that frown on it also will do in a cute way by saying "attn redboard alert"
i don't bother to do that because i frankly don't care what anyone thinks.
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Old 08-19-2007, 07:29 PM
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guys you are all really over estimating how good the west coast horses are,.
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Old 08-19-2007, 07:31 PM
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If Lava Man and Student Council had met on a dirt track today....at level weights no less, do you think the result would have been the same?
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Old 08-19-2007, 07:32 PM
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Nobody said they are good, they stink. I just cant stand to see a horse like Lava Man go 115 and not finish. Hes a notorious gamer, especially in Cali, especially when having things his own way. He got a perfect ride and was done mid stretch. Do you think hes better than Student Council?
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Old 08-19-2007, 07:46 PM
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guys you are all really over estimating how good the west coast horses are,.
Are u suggesting that every listed stakes caliber horse in the Midwest and East could have done this same thing? Are the California horses that bad?
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Old 08-19-2007, 08:09 PM
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Is this a shot at me?
no?
i didn't intend it for a person, i frankly don't remember who it was but i've noticed several people playing both sides of the so called no redboarding rule.
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Old 08-19-2007, 07:19 PM
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He does have a good running style for poly. Hes a slow crow. Any east Coast open 50 claimer can win a Graded stake in California.
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Old 08-19-2007, 07:22 PM
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He does have a good running style for poly. Hes a slow crow. Any east Coast open 50 claimer can win a Graded stake in California.
He's been beaten by Throng on both the dirt and the polytrack at Keeneland.

Congrats to whoever had him....he wasn't for me.
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Old 08-19-2007, 07:24 PM
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His owners sold him. Even they had given up on him. This is more hilarious by the second.
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Old 08-19-2007, 07:25 PM
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Hes not for anybody who handicaps fast horses, because hes not a fast horse. Hes a mediocre plodder with no kick. He rolls up along Lava Man like hes Arazi.
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Old 08-19-2007, 08:17 PM
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i bet on Student Council. i thought he looked good against this group, according to all the speed numbers i looked at. a solid well bred horse heading out to face a softer group? and at those odds? i didn't understand why he was ignored but i'm not complaining.

if you look at his pp's he has the type of runstyle that is good for poly. he runs at a high consistent speed, and he has endurance to boot.

No, I didn't bet him but I like your thinking here. Generally, I do believe Midwest based horses go off at higher odds than they should when they go to EITHER coast.
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Old 08-19-2007, 08:23 PM
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No, I didn't bet him but I like your thinking here. Generally, I do believe Midwest based horses go off at higher odds than they should when they go to EITHER coast.
thats right, and even though he races for Cerin now, in typical Neil Howard style this horse just kept getting incrementally better with age. If you can compete in Kentucky and Ark with Magna Graduate, Brass Hat, Wanderin Boy, etc you can compete with that group out west today.
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Old 08-19-2007, 08:49 PM
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If people go to the Thorograph website - this race was the freebee for the week, and the figures and analysis are still up - TG had the exacta, described the handicap division in the west for what it is (weak), and predicted Lava Man once again was a strong underlay.
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Old 08-19-2007, 08:58 PM
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Congradulations Arl Jim at least you got it
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