DMR: PacClas; Mile; O'Brien (Sun.)

Danzig · #1 08-19-2007, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

I have been told he does not think its safe, not any anti speed issue.

5 of those starts were on turf and both wins were. he has some well bred two year olds he wont run until santa anita on the cushion track.

not so...

http://racing.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=40314

he's still running his four year old in the race, so it's not safety. really makes no sense to me. he's got a track that favors closers, and a three year old who is a closer. if it was safety, he'd scratch all of them, right? mentions in the article that another horse came back tired (aren't they all tired after a race?) and i guess he wants something a bit easier on tiago. easy to blame it on the track tho, the current whipping boy in cali.

SCUDSBROTHER · #2 08-19-2007, 05:54 PM

I would take Sun Boat,but would only do it at 6-1 or higher.What will that horse go off at..9/2?

#3 08-19-2007, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

I would take Sun Boat,but would only do it at 6-1 or higher.What will that horse go off at..9/2?

I think you could have got that if Lava Man had not drawn PP 1.

10 pnt move up · #4 08-19-2007, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

not so...

http://racing.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=40314

he's still running his four year old in the race, so it's not safety. really makes no sense to me. he's got a track that favors closers, and a three year old who is a closer. if it was safety, he'd scratch all of them, right? mentions in the article that another horse came back tired (aren't they all tired after a race?) and i guess he wants something a bit easier on tiago. easy to blame it on the track tho, the current whipping boy in cali.

saying he is "not handling the track" is the same way as saying I have a colt here worth 10 million bucks and I am not about to take a shot on this stuff, ap excellent who is a dog **** horse is worth the risk. He has owners so he still has to run, but can you tell me why he has not run a single two year old, and he has a barn full, and only 2 dirt horses to date?

#5 08-19-2007, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

saying he is "not handling the track" is the same way as saying I have a colt here worth 10 million bucks and I am not about to take a shot on this stuff, ap excellent who is a dog **** horse is worth the risk. He has owners so he still has to run, but can you tell me why he has not run a single two year old, and he has a barn full, and only 2 dirt horses to date?

Perhaps because he has a bunch of speed and they will die like dogs? Just like Baffert.

ArlJim78 · #6 08-19-2007, 06:13 PM

I see the espn broadcast of the Pacific Classic is being preceded by the High school scrabble championship.

gee i hope that the scrabble show doesn't go into extra words, i mean overtime.

10 pnt move up · #7 08-19-2007, 07:27 PM

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I'm not in front of a TV, but I thought that the High School Cheerleading competition preceded the Pacific Classic broadcast, and that it looks like it will go into extra somersaults...

a better question is which show will get the better rating, taped kids playing scrable or horse racing, I know which one is odds on.

10 pnt move up · #8 08-19-2007, 07:22 PM

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Perhaps because he has a bunch of speed and they will die like dogs? Just like Baffert.

not sherriffs, he has bettter distance and turf like pedigrees

King Glorious · #9 08-19-2007, 07:32 PM

Crossing the Line is your BC Mile winner. He's going to have to beat Silver Tree to do it but he'll get the job done. What an explosive turn of foot this guy has.

Danzig · #10 08-19-2007, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

Crossing the Line is your BC Mile winner. He's going to have to beat Silver Tree to do it but he'll get the job done. What an explosive turn of foot this guy has.

he looked fantastic. didn't aragorn win this race last year on his way to a runner up effort in the bc mile?

10 pnt move up · #11 08-19-2007, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

he looked fantastic. didn't aragorn win this race last year on his way to a runner up effort in the bc mile?

either this one or the eddie read.

they really have a nice set of mile specific races on socal for horses who specialize in that

Kilroe
Shoemaker
DMBC Mile
Oak Tree Mile

Danzig · #12 08-19-2007, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

saying he is "not handling the track" is the same way as saying I have a colt here worth 10 million bucks and I am not about to take a shot on this stuff, ap excellent who is a dog **** horse is worth the risk. He has owners so he still has to run, but can you tell me why he has not run a single two year old, and he has a barn full, and only 2 dirt horses to date?

i was just pointing out that if he thinks it's unsafe, he doesn't think it's too unsafe to run over with ap excellent. as for the others, it's only mid-august. maybe his babies aren't ready yet? what is his usual mode of operation at this time of year with them?

and he didn't say tiago didn't handle it, he said another of his came back tired. i think it has more to do with not wanting to run tiago today against this field, not on that track. especially when it seems the track is more conducive to tiagos running style.
or maybe he thinks he would be so 'tired' after an effort today that he couldn't get him ready for the bc in a couple months.

seems to be the prevailing thought process these days regarding three year olds...

Hoist Her Flag · #13 08-19-2007, 07:37 PM

Looks like a wide open betting affair in the Pacific Classic. I like Arson Squad to run in the top 3. Was blocked down the stretch in the San Diego. Needs a clean trip here today. Awesome Gem should put in a big run as well.

Hoist Her Flag · #14 08-19-2007, 07:37 PM

Agreed Crossing the LIne, 2nd straight brilliant finish.

Danzig · #15 08-19-2007, 07:38 PM

go lava man.

10 pnt move up · #16 08-19-2007, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

i was just pointing out that if he thinks it's unsafe, he doesn't think it's too unsafe to run over with ap excellent. as for the others, it's only mid-august. maybe his babies aren't ready yet? what is his usual mode of operation at this time of year with them?

and he didn't say tiago didn't handle it, he said another of his came back tired. i think it has more to do with not wanting to run tiago today against this field, not on that track. especially when it seems the track is more conducive to tiagos running style.
or maybe he thinks he would be so 'tired' after an effort today that he couldn't get him ready for the bc in a couple months.

seems to be the prevailing thought process these days regarding three year olds...

I know what he said to be nice to del mar but I dont know what else to say, I have it on good info the horse is sketchy at best on the surface after his last few works. that being said I thought they should run and it would add to his foundation and he is the most talented horse in this field excluding lava man.

He usually wins a few baby races every season at del mar and gears up like everyone else.

Danzig · #17 08-19-2007, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

I know what he said to be nice to del mar but I dont know what else to say, I have it on good info the horse is sketchy at best on the surface after his last few works. that being said I thought they should run and it would add to his foundation and he is the most talented horse in this field excluding lava man.

He usually wins a few baby races every season at del mar and gears up like everyone else.

so...is it the track or the horse? is it easier to point the finger at del mar right now, after what baffert and zayat had to say? probably beats suggesting tiago isn't at his best i suppose.
at any rate, a shame he won't run.

10 pnt move up · #18 08-19-2007, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

so...is it the track or the horse? is it easier to point the finger at del mar right now, after what baffert and zayat had to say? probably beats suggesting tiago isn't at his best i suppose.
at any rate, a shame he won't run.

no, the horse can run and trained "ok" but nothing like he did at hollywood park, and the horse can run a bit.

King Glorious · #19 08-19-2007, 07:59 PM

Anyone that still believes that this stuff is not the end of California racing is lying to themselves. Student FREAKIN Council wins the race. Lava Man was tracking a 1:14.81 for 6f.....I don't care how many steps he's lost, he's good enough to do that and still win.......and he was DONE at the top of the lane. They went 2:07.29 U've got to be kidding me. This is NOT horse racing anymore.

Indian Charlie · #20 08-19-2007, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

Anyone that still believes that this stuff is not the end of California racing is lying to themselves. Student FREAKIN Council wins the race. Lava Man was tracking a 1:14.81 for 6f.....I don't care how many steps he's lost, he's good enough to do that and still win.......and he was DONE at the top of the lane. They went 2:07.29 U've got to be kidding me. This is NOT horse racing anymore.

howd you like the 47.2 half mile for the sprint stakes?