Arlignton Poly

[jwkniska]

Originally Posted by Danzig

weather right now isn't fit for man or beast. it's miserable out there.

I'll 2nd that... being out in it all day tomorrow isn't a good thing... and the givaway tomorrow is a cotton fleece. 100+ heat index and they're giving away winter clothes.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by jwkniska

I'll 2nd that... being out in it all day tomorrow isn't a good thing... and the givaway tomorrow is a cotton fleece. 100+ heat index and they're giving away winter clothes.

They do a giveaway on a day that is already drawing high attendance?

I'll count my lucky stars tomorrow when we have low 80's and sun.

[jwkniska]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

They do a giveaway on a day that is already drawing high attendance?

I'll count my lucky stars tomorrow when we have low 80's and sun.

They normally do something on Million day and Million Preview day. Normally it's a hat on Million day (have done an NTRA mystery voucher giveaway then too in the past).

They gave out folding camping chairs in a bag, even with cupholders, on July 4th (which is normally a big day for them too due to the biggest fireworks display in Chicago on the 4th... downtown's is always the 3rd).

[sumitas]

Any breakdown on poly needs a thorough investigation. Are pre race physicals sufficient ? Are the same trainers sending out the victimized horses ? Find the facts. Then meat out the punishment if appropriate.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by sumitas

Any breakdown on poly needs a thorough investigation. Are pre race physicals sufficient ? Are the same trainers sending out the victimized horses ? Find the facts. Then meat out the punishment if appropriate.

that would involve the FCC-Catman duo. Not in this lifetime.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

that would involve the FCC-Catman duo. Not in this lifetime.

LOL. you got that right

[Riot]

Any breakdown on poly needs a thorough investigation. Are pre race physicals sufficient ? Are the same trainers sending out the victimized horses ? Find the facts. Then meat out the punishment if appropriate.

I assume you feel the same about any injuries or breakdowns that occur on turf or dirt.

Dr. Mary Scollay has started a national injury reporting system this year (for any track, not just synthetic), and I believe the CA tracks are participating.

[NoChanceToDance]

Rain on the poly does make the track fast, and it's up to the track how fast they want it, not the weather conditions. If Arlington has had a lot of rain (which it looks like it has) the track will tighten up and could become lightning fast IF not much is done with it. Over here, if we have had a lot of rain on the poly, what we call a Clerk Of The Course will walk the track and identify if he/she thinks the surface is TOO fast for the horses. If so, they will arrange to have it harrowed slightly deeper than normal, allowing the rain water to soak through to the harcore/drainage underneath more quickly.

If poly is managed peoperly, it can be the best surface in the world, but just like any man made substance, put it in the wrong hands and things can change very quickly. I can't be sure, but after hearing about Turfway, i'd guess these tracks just aren't doing enough to make sure they are safe. Yes, it means hard work quite often, but if these tracks are prepared to take brake downs over hard work they don't deserve to be running a horse racing event.

the term "all-weather" is becoming a bit far fetched now. We have found that snow is probably the worst weather condition for poly. Heavy snow will lay on poly easily and create a freezing layer on top. Depending on how heavy the small fall is there can be very little you can do about it. This happened at Wolverhampton back in the winter, but even harrowing after every race wasn't doing the trick. Horses were coming back with frozen poly stuck in their hooves, and jockeys had complained of getting hit with what felt like rocks, when it was just the frozen poly getting kicked back.

Freezing temperatures are not ideal for poly, but there is no reason to believe that heat will cause any problems. Intense heat may mean the tracks might want to put some water on beforehand, but nothing else.

I'd be interested to know whether any of you guys know which 'blend' of polytrack each of these tracks have got. As far as i know there about 5 or 6 different blends available now, all slightly different in consistancy.

The best i have seen is at Lingfield, which rarely has any problems whatsoever, their blend is a much darker colour to look at.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by NoChanceToDance

Rain on the poly does make the track fast, and it's up to the track how fast they want it, not the weather conditions. If Arlington has had a lot of rain (which it looks like it has) the track will tighten up and could become lightning fast IF not much is done with it. Over here, if we have had a lot of rain on the poly, what we call a Clerk Of The Course will walk the track and identify if he/she thinks the surface is TOO fast for the horses. If so, they will arrange to have it harrowed slightly deeper than normal, allowing the rain water to soak through to the harcore/drainage underneath more quickly.

If poly is managed peoperly, it can be the best surface in the world, but just like any man made substance, put it in the wrong hands and things can change very quickly. I can't be sure, but after hearing about Turfway, i'd guess these tracks just aren't doing enough to make sure they are safe. Yes, it means hard work quite often, but if these tracks are prepared to take brake downs over hard work they don't deserve to be running a horse racing event.

the term "all-weather" is becoming a bit far fetched now. We have found that snow is probably the worst weather condition for poly. Heavy snow will lay on poly easily and create a freezing layer on top. Depending on how heavy the small fall is there can be very little you can do about it. This happened at Wolverhampton back in the winter, but even harrowing after every race wasn't doing the trick. Horses were coming back with frozen poly stuck in their hooves, and jockeys had complained of getting hit with what felt like rocks, when it was just the frozen poly getting kicked back.

Freezing temperatures are not ideal for poly, but there is no reason to believe that heat will cause any problems. Intense heat may mean the tracks might want to put some water on beforehand, but nothing else.

I'd be interested to know whether any of you guys know which 'blend' of polytrack each of these tracks have got. As far as i know there about 5 or 6 different blends available now, all slightly different in consistancy.

The best i have seen is at Lingfield, which rarely has any problems whatsoever, their blend is a much darker colour to look at.

you have to understand, over here we generally want a quick fix to all solutions. to have to WORK at a problem constantly is not in the best interest.

seriously, i think people leaped at poly, but are mismanaging it the same way they mismanaged their dirt surfaces. look at the tracks that still have dirt that are not seeing the numbers that del mar and arlington had last year. why? because they are focused on taking care of what they have, and doing it properly. installing poly won't help, if the mind set hasn't changed, and if no proper care is given the surface.

[jwkniska]

Originally Posted by NoChanceToDance

I'd be interested to know whether any of you guys know which 'blend' of polytrack each of these tracks have got. As far as i know there about 5 or 6 different blends available now, all slightly different in consistancy.

I'm not sure exactly which blend they are, but.... Arlington, Keeneland and Del Mar have the exact same mix. Turfway and Woodbine have a different mix, which is because they run in the winter (they started with the AP, KEE, DM mix, then changed it due to it freezing and balling up in the horses hooves).

Arlington's is a lighter color, almost like an ocean sand from a distance.

[JJP]

Originally Posted by NoChanceToDance

If poly is managed peoperly, it can be the best surface in the world.

Not to watch or wager on. This years Blue Grass was the ugliest Grade 1 race I have ever witnessed. Nothing is more boring than watching crawlfest paces with bunched fields, Euro style. The ugliest graded sprint? No question it was In Summations recent win.