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Old 07-14-2006, 01:27 AM
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World War III has started... and I think that'll get a lot more coverage.

Ruffian and Go For Wand also happened on national TV ... to much bigger audiences ... and they had zero short-term and long-term impact.

The Barbaro story? It'll be debated here forever. To the general public ... it'll be fifteen minutes ... and out.
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Old 07-14-2006, 02:15 AM
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Jumping in late.....

Yes, this may be 15 minutes and out. That doesn't mean everything in the long term, though.

Ruffian was 15 minutes and out, too. But not among those who paid attention and cared.

And she's come back in notice, stronger than ever. It just took awhile.

I would suspect most all here are closet animal and horse lovers, whether they would admit it, or not. Even the pure "action" crowd, of which I am occasionally one.

I'm not a card carrying PETA member, but I sure as heck want good treatment of all animals whenever possible.

Thoroughbreds love to run. I've seen them perk up in the paddock when some get the late realization jolt of the job they've got to do....and want to do.

And, I've seen 'em prance and dance after a race with a "look at me" attitude.... looking into the stretch trackside fans after a 6th place finish.

All that said, I still hold the starter and Pimlico and maybe the television network liable for the decision to put Barbaro back in the gate so quickly after he broke through.

I won't let that one die.

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Old 07-14-2006, 08:02 AM
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Jumping in late.....

Yes, this may be 15 minutes and out. That doesn't mean everything in the long term, though.

Ruffian was 15 minutes and out, too. But not among those who paid attention and cared.

And she's come back in notice, stronger than ever. It just took awhile.

I would suspect most all here are closet animal and horse lovers, whether they would admit it, or not. Even the pure "action" crowd, of which I am occasionally one.

I'm not a card carrying PETA member, but I sure as heck want good treatment of all animals whenever possible.

Thoroughbreds love to run. I've seen them perk up in the paddock when some get the late realization jolt of the job they've got to do....and want to do.

And, I've seen 'em prance and dance after a race with a "look at me" attitude.... looking into the stretch trackside fans after a 6th place finish.

All that said, I still hold the starter and Pimlico and maybe the television network liable for the decision to put Barbaro back in the gate so quickly after he broke through.

I won't let that one die.
you won't let that die? an incident that had nothing to do with his subsequent injury? why is it you won't let it go? i guess it has to do with someone wanting an explanation as to why something occurred, freak accident not being good enough. richardson said the gate had nothing to do with barbaro taking a bad step and breaking down, why isn't that good enough for you?
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Old 07-14-2006, 09:41 AM
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you won't let that die? an incident that had nothing to do with his subsequent injury? why is it you won't let it go? i guess it has to do with someone wanting an explanation as to why something occurred, freak accident not being good enough. richardson said the gate had nothing to do with barbaro taking a bad step and breaking down, why isn't that good enough for you?
Historical footnote ...

The great champion Sword Dancer broke through the gate three times in his career ... and went on to win all three of those races ... and retired perfectly sound after 39 starts.

Unless a horse is actually injured in the process ... breaking through the gate means absolutely nothing.
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Old 07-14-2006, 09:44 AM
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Historical footnote ...

The great champion Sword Dancer broke through the gate three times in his career ... and went on to win all three of those races ... and retired perfectly sound after 39 starts.

Unless a horse is actually injured in the process ... breaking through the gate means absolutely nothing.
For me, I accept that he wasn't injured in the gate like that, but I DO believe they should have taken a little more time in evaluating the horse before throwing him back in the gate like that. JMO. I think it was mere coincidence that he broke down the second time out of the gate, but they should have checked him more thoroughly because if they had, there wouldn't be as much controversy regarding it...
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Old 07-14-2006, 09:47 AM
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For me, I accept that he wasn't injured in the gate like that, but I DO believe they should have taken a little more time in evaluating the horse before throwing him back in the gate like that. JMO. I think it was mere coincidence that he broke down the second time out of the gate, but they should have checked him more thoroughly because if they had, there wouldn't be as much controversy regarding it...
Very astute observation.
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Old 07-14-2006, 10:19 AM
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For me, I accept that he wasn't injured in the gate like that, but I DO believe they should have taken a little more time in evaluating the horse before throwing him back in the gate like that. JMO. I think it was mere coincidence that he broke down the second time out of the gate, but they should have checked him more thoroughly because if they had, there wouldn't be as much controversy regarding it...

he WAS checked out!!

"The stewards always ask me to look at them (when they break through the gate)," said Zipf, a state veterinarian since 1965 and chief veterinarian for the last 20 years.

"I went through the stall he was in and followed him back around. Once he was gathered up (by an outrider) and turned around, the first thing I looked for was head trauma or abrasions or cuts. I then walked behind him as he trotted back to make sure, leg-wise that there was no problem. I could see nothing that would insult his performance; saw no problems with his head or legs. I'm certain there was nothing that would predispose to the injury that occurred in the race."

Zipf has heard the speculation that Barbaro's injury may have occurred in the gate and feels it is important for the racing public to know safeguards were taken. "We want people to know the circumstances," he said, "so we can eliminate speculation that isn't warranted. I don't want there to be any gray areas about what we do."

that's from bloodhorse. also read elsewhere the vet said it may have appeared to tv viewers that he was rushed back, but that wasn't the case. he checked him out just like any other horse who breaks thru.
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Old 07-14-2006, 10:35 AM
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he WAS checked out!!

"The stewards always ask me to look at them (when they break through the gate)," said Zipf, a state veterinarian since 1965 and chief veterinarian for the last 20 years.

"I went through the stall he was in and followed him back around. Once he was gathered up (by an outrider) and turned around, the first thing I looked for was head trauma or abrasions or cuts. I then walked behind him as he trotted back to make sure, leg-wise that there was no problem. I could see nothing that would insult his performance; saw no problems with his head or legs. I'm certain there was nothing that would predispose to the injury that occurred in the race."

Zipf has heard the speculation that Barbaro's injury may have occurred in the gate and feels it is important for the racing public to know safeguards were taken. "We want people to know the circumstances," he said, "so we can eliminate speculation that isn't warranted. I don't want there to be any gray areas about what we do."

that's from bloodhorse. also read elsewhere the vet said it may have appeared to tv viewers that he was rushed back, but that wasn't the case. he checked him out just like any other horse who breaks thru.
Like I said, I thought he should have been checked more THOROUGHLY. That is my opinion. And like I said before, I DO NOT think that his breakthrough the first time caused the accident. I can understand why some people would be led to think that though.
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Old 07-14-2006, 10:22 AM
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World War III has started... and I think that'll get a lot more coverage.

Ruffian and Go For Wand also happened on national TV ... to much bigger audiences ... and they had zero short-term and long-term impact.

The Barbaro story? It'll be debated here forever. To the general public ... it'll be fifteen minutes ... and out.


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Is this dude serious?
Yeeah, a far out dude. what planet is he from ?
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