Godolphin/Darley article

[NoChanceToDance]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

I would not consider comments made by a friend about a former employer as objective.

Nor would my friends consider the same comments from me as objective.

The rest? Opinion. Good? Bad? I don't know.

That is the problem, one of my friend's is a former employer, but the other two are current employees, and if anything, it is the former employee who is being the nicer in his words.

He did agree with the article having worked at the same level as Crisford etc. Their staff turnover is very high, something which i didn't realise.

I know their is a lot of unrest in the camp at the moment, and much of it is to do with the training techniques and who should be training the horses. There are certain people that have got in "far too deep", if they took more of a back seat role and got on with the jobs they are employed to do, i think the operation will start to role again. But why they think that they can buy the competition for success they will continue to fail.

As i have said, maybe now they have a few (what look to be) outstanding stallion prospects they will discontinue to 'scatter' buy at any cost, and start to put faith into their breeding operation. I hope that is the case, because they are killing racing over here by doing that, racing fans don't like it and they are getting frustrated (like me)

[my miss storm cat]

As an aside, since you mentioned Caradak he's doing well.

I don't need to comment on the rest.....

What you're doing now is posting the same thing over and over and merely changing the words around.

It seems you're looking for a fight and lording over this thread, demanding answers from anyone who would disagree.

Is it that hard to respect opinions other than your own?

This whole I-know-best-cause-my-friends-told-me mentality is getting old.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

As an aside, since you mentioned Caradak he's doing well.

I don't need to comment on the rest.....

What you're doing now is posting the same thing over and over and merely changing the words around.

It seems you're looking for a fight and lording over this thread, demanding answers from anyone who would disagree.

Is it that hard to respect opinions other than your own?

This whole I-know-best-cause-my-friends-told-me mentality is getting old.

I just hope ArlJim will be able to sleep.

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

I just hope ArlJim will be able to sleep.

Sleep??? I think he's in a coma.....

[NoChanceToDance]

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

As an aside, since you mentioned Caradak he's doing well.

I don't need to comment on the rest.....

What you're doing now is posting the same thing over and over and merely changing the words around.

It seems you're looking for a fight and lording over this thread, demanding answers from anyone who would disagree.

Is it that hard to respect opinions other than your own?

This whole I-know-best-cause-my-friends-told-me mentality is getting old.

You don't need to comment on the rest??? what do you know?

Caradak, he's been injured and he is just about to come back on track.

Not looking for a fight at all.

Well, you are all disagreeing with me but no evidence has been brought to the table.

I have said i am annoyed with Godolphin's tactics, i have listed horses they have purchased that have either been injured or lost their form. what does this suggest?

Well, i trust my friends and people "in the know", i'm not going to tell them "you speak crap" when they obviously know much more than us.

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by NoChanceToDance

You don't need to comment on the rest??? what do you know?

Caradak, he's been injured and he is just about to come back on track.

Not looking for a fight at all.

Well, you are all disagreeing with me but no evidence has been brought to the table.

I have said i am annoyed with Godolphin's tactics, i have listed horses they have purchased that have either been injured or lost their form. what does this suggest?

Well, i trust my friends and people "in the know", i'm not going to tell them "you speak crap" when they obviously know much more than us.

Evidence? Evidence of what exactly?

These are ALL opinions.

You think you have evidence because you posted an article?

This is turning into tales of the absurd now.

[NoChanceToDance]

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

Evidence? Evidence of what exactly?

These are ALL opinions.

You think you have evidence because you posted an article?

This is turning into tales of the absurd now.

No, not the article but the fact that most of the horses they buy turn out to be nags, but for what reason? They cannot train?

Okay, opinions, whatever, but they are opinions that add up. I cannot see how the information i am told by employees is opinion, though? They know what is going on, they know the horses. We don't.

I don't want to fight.

I'm very passionate about this, i have seen far too many good horses ruined by them (seemingly) and it is damaging racing over here. I know it is different in the States because as far as i know they are doing pretty well with the few horses in training over there. Although i'm getting fed up with asking how Zada Belle is and what is happening with Utopia?

You have to understand that.

[my miss storm cat]

On Utopia.....

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/sho...ghlight=utopia

[NoChanceToDance]

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

On Utopia.....

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/sho...ghlight=utopia

Thanks for that.

He was so impressive in Dubai, he could be very special in America.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by NoChanceToDance

No, not the article but the fact that most of the horses they buy turn out to be nags, but for what reason? They cannot train?

Okay, opinions, whatever, but they are opinions that add up. I cannot see how the information i am told by employees is opinion, though? They know what is going on, they know the horses. We don't.

I don't want to fight.

I'm very passionate about this, i have seen far too many good horses ruined by them (seemingly) and it is damaging racing over here. I know it is different in the States because as far as i know they are doing pretty well with the few horses in training over there. Although i'm getting fed up with asking how Zada Belle is and what is happening with Utopia?

You have to understand that.

its all opinions and hearsay. even if it came from a friend and you believe it, that doesn't make it a fact. one or two people making off the cuff remarks about a large operation doesn't constitute any like factual data. its hearsay.
believe it if you want but don't come on here in a condescending tone like you have all the facts. and certainly don't attempt to make fun of the opinions of others on here that politely and passionately disagree. they believe in what they are saying also. you've made your point, you don't anything about Godolphin.

[NoChanceToDance]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

its all opinions and hearsay. even if it came from a friend and you believe it, that doesn't make it a fact. one or two people making off the cuff remarks about a large operation doesn't constitute any like factual data. its hearsay.
believe it if you want but don't come on here in a condescending tone like you have all the facts. and certainly don't attempt to make fun of the opinions of others on here that politely and passionately disagree. they believe in what they are saying also. you've made your point, you don't anything about Godolphin.

That is fair enough.

I believe what they have to say, and i know that they are much better informed than any of us.

These two have probably sat on every horse that has been through the Godolphin operation and are very good horsemen, so they know when people are failing to train racehorses properly. They just do as they're told, if they give their opinion that differs from the 'boss' or crisford they can expect to be riding the crap horses for a while.

Saeed is a great horseman, also, and when things go wrong people get on his back, but in reality, he does very little there, but he deserves a more pominant role.

There is a word for people being afraid of change, and i think this word relates to Godolphin.

They need to change or else they will continue to struggle.

I apologise for my hot headed nature. This is something i am very passionate about, i'm just sick of them ruining good horses they have purchased.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by Cardus

To my recollection, this is the longest running thread in which one guy is taking on the universe.

Good job, NCTD.

PG1985 fought gallantly many a time.

[NoChanceToDance]

Originally Posted by Cardus

To my recollection, this is the longest running thread in which one guy is taking on the universe.

Good job, NCTD.

Not something to be proud of, i don't think.

I'm not a person to give up on anything. I have been taking on many different issues today, mostly with our local authorities, now they really make me mad

[NoChanceToDance]

Another $3million down the drain?

Last night a colt named Al Naahadth made his long awaited debut (there had been quite a few 'noises' in Newmarket about him), he was very well bet to back the high opinion up...... and he was beaten 16 lengths out of sight. The write up from the Racing Post says it all:

There would have been some glum faces in Dubai as they tried to come to terms with the abysmal debut of the well-backed Al Naahadth, who cost a staggering $3m as a yearling. By Storm Cat out of a Breeders' Cup Distaff winner, his looks matched his pedigree, but he was quickly under pressure and showed no promise whatsoever.

His pedigree is beautiful (storm cat - Ajina). I don't suppose anyone saw him go through the sale a couple of years ago?? He must have been some looker.

Maybe greeness, but it was a weak maiden and the Godolphin second string finished miles in front of him. We shall see what happens next time before making too much out of this.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by NoChanceToDance

Another $3million down the drain?

Last night a colt named Al Naahadth made his long awaited debut (there had been quite a few 'noises' in Newmarket about him), he was very well bet to back the high opinion up...... and he was beaten 16 lengths out of sight. The write up from the Racing Post says it all:

There would have been some glum faces in Dubai as they tried to come to terms with the abysmal debut of the well-backed Al Naahadth, who cost a staggering $3m as a yearling. By Storm Cat out of a Breeders' Cup Distaff winner, his looks matched his pedigree, but he was quickly under pressure and showed no promise whatsoever.

His pedigree is beautiful (storm cat - Ajina). I don't suppose anyone saw him go through the sale a couple of years ago?? He must have been some looker.

Maybe greeness, but it was a weak maiden and the Godolphin second string finished miles in front of him. We shall see what happens next time before making too much out of this.

Seriously! He's had as much success through one start as Bernardini had.

[_ed_]

Originally Posted by NoChanceToDance

but he was quickly under pressure and showed no promise whatsoever.

Ouch!

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by NoChanceToDance

Another $3million down the drain?

Last night a colt named Al Naahadth made his long awaited debut (there had been quite a few 'noises' in Newmarket about him), he was very well bet to back the high opinion up...... and he was beaten 16 lengths out of sight. The write up from the Racing Post says it all:

There would have been some glum faces in Dubai as they tried to come to terms with the abysmal debut of the well-backed Al Naahadth, who cost a staggering $3m as a yearling. By Storm Cat out of a Breeders' Cup Distaff winner, his looks matched his pedigree, but he was quickly under pressure and showed no promise whatsoever.

His pedigree is beautiful (storm cat - Ajina). I don't suppose anyone saw him go through the sale a couple of years ago?? He must have been some looker.

Maybe greeness, but it was a weak maiden and the Godolphin second string finished miles in front of him. We shall see what happens next time before making too much out of this.

Wasn't Finsceal Beo kinda far back in this race that Miss Beatrix won so brilliantly?

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/sho...t=miss+beatrix

My point is that to tell me a horse was beaten doesn't say much.

"Showed no promise"? That's one persons opinion based on one day, one race.

I think the only thing this shows me is that you really do believe everything you read.

[ELA]

Originally Posted by NoChanceToDance

Another $3million down the drain?

Last night a colt named Al Naahadth made his long awaited debut (there had been quite a few 'noises' in Newmarket about him), he was very well bet to back the high opinion up...... and he was beaten 16 lengths out of sight. The write up from the Racing Post says it all:

There would have been some glum faces in Dubai as they tried to come to terms with the abysmal debut of the well-backed Al Naahadth, who cost a staggering $3m as a yearling. By Storm Cat out of a Breeders' Cup Distaff winner, his looks matched his pedigree, but he was quickly under pressure and showed no promise whatsoever.

His pedigree is beautiful (storm cat - Ajina). I don't suppose anyone saw him go through the sale a couple of years ago?? He must have been some looker.

Maybe greeness, but it was a weak maiden and the Godolphin second string finished miles in front of him. We shall see what happens next time before making too much out of this.

No offense, however it seems that you've already made plenty out of this -- and more. As we all know, the majority of 7 digit yearlings don't pan out. So what? As I said before, to sit in judgement with this type of exercise and with this type of critique is an exercise in futility at best. None of us have any idea of the methodology going on here. Maybe they were looking to buy the 5 most expensive sons of Storm Cat because of some cycle-bred theory . . . who knows! I don't and it doesn't matter. This is not an owner stepping up and buying a $3m son of Storm Cat. There is a massively global, big picture situation going on and as such the criticism flows much easier.

Eric

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by NoChanceToDance

We shall see what happens next time before making too much out of this.

well now if you believed that you wouldn't have made this post talking about the glum faces in Dubai.

the first race is hard to draw any conclusions from. besides, if we look around there are plenty of examples of highpriced busts, if that is what this one turns out to be.