Maimonides will win the Derby

[boswd]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

all the best two year olds are on the east coast!

west coast sucks

Don't get me wrong I am the biggest east coast supporter but this was part of the whole Zayat/Baffert Del Mar exodus. If Del Mar never switched to Poly he would have raced at Del Mar

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by boswd

Don't get me wrong I am the biggest east coast supporter but this was part of the whole Zayat/Baffert Del Mar exodus. If Del Mar never switched to Poly he would have raced at Del Mar

it is what it is, train at del mar, race at saratoga

this horse was coming before the move happened.

[Left Bank]

Originally Posted by boswd

Don't get me wrong I am the biggest east coast supporter but this was part of the whole Zayat/Baffert Del Mar exodus. If Del Mar never switched to Poly he would have raced at Del Mar

My bet is they when they ship him back to run in SOCAL he will get beat by a cheap claiming horse.

I think if he is to run in the BC we'll know soon enough by where he runs next. He's trained on both surfaces. Poly would be easier on his feet if he does have problems. He could have an entire Derby prep run on poly, then do as today and make the BIG run on dirt. He could have come east because the west coast dirt tracks are much harder. The east coast dirt tracks are softer, and we all know how soft CD is.

[TitanSooner]

Originally Posted by Kimmeastar

My bet is they when they ship him back to run in SOCAL he will get beat by a cheap claiming horse.

because the SoCal horses are so much stronger?

[Riot]

Very exciting and impressive - he'll be fun to watch!

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Cardus

Like his fragile sire, he'll never see the Triple Crown trail.

Vindicaton was made of glass

El Correador had foot problems

Roman Ruler had foot problems

The chances this guy has any soundness is iffy at best.

[skippy3481]

I understand let them lock in those futures on him winning the derby after he sets track records at 4 diffrent tracks and distances and he comes up lame 2 weeks before the big day. I like how you think.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by skippy3481

I understand let them lock in those futures on him winning the derby after he sets track records at 4 diffrent tracks and distances and he comes up lame 2 weeks before the big day. I like how you think.

thanks!

but, how about doing it ap indy style, where you wake up to riots in LA (i lived there at the time) and find out that ap indy was scratched the morning of the derby because of his foot problem.

that was a HUGE letdown man. i'd like to see that happen again, with the younger generation.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Cardus

You mean, those riots were caused by AP Indy's scratching that morning?

duh

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Vindicaton was made of glass

El Correador had foot problems

Roman Ruler had foot problems

The chances this guy has any soundness is iffy at best.

I haven't seen the race, but I heard that he has a nice way of going so that he's not too hard on his legs. Who knows. It seems like the ones that are extremely fast and talented are always the ones that hurt themselves the easiest.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

I haven't seen the race, but I heard that he has a nice way of going so that he's not too hard on his legs. Who knows. It seems like the ones that are extremely fast and talented are always the ones that hurt themselves the easiest.

i remember reading a quote from a well known old trainer about 20 years ago (when i read the quote) that went something like:

"If they are running fast enough to win, they are running fast enough to get hurt"

That quote was already decades old when I read that.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

I haven't seen the race, but I heard that he has a nice way of going so that he's not too hard on his legs. Who knows. It seems like the ones that are extremely fast and talented are always the ones that hurt themselves the easiest.

no the ones that get hurt the most are the ones who are working bullets in June of their two year old seasons.

[Left Bank]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

no the ones that get hurt the most are the ones who are working bullets in June of their two year old seasons.

Like those 46.2's and 58's this one was doing in June?

The horse looked great running on the dirt, but if he is going to make it to the derby, with his fragile pedigree, he better find a nice polytrack to train on. I prefer dirt racing, but polytrack is much much easier on a young horse. I say 2-5 he doesn't even make the derby.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Benevolus

The horse looked great running on the dirt, but if he is going to make it to the derby, with his fragile pedigree, he better find a nice polytrack to train on. I prefer dirt racing, but polytrack is much much easier on a young horse. I say 2-5 he doesn't even make the derby.

I dont understand why Maimonides' pedigree is fragile just because his sire was injured.. Horses just get hurt sometimes and it is not always the pedigree's fault!

Vindication has been outstanding with his 2yo's so far. We can not classify that he is fragile. Supposedly, Vindication is the horse that most looks like his father, Seattle Slew. He is also out of a Strawberry Road mare who was a decent race horse. I for one think he will be an excellent sire, just like he was a great racehorse in his short career.

On to Maimonides, his race was awesome today. Top juve type awesome. I wont be surprised if he has a stellar year! He is a beautiful colt also!

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Not only was his sire fragile, but the dam had thrown 6 runners that I have found. They have combined to make 46 total starts or an average of about 8 start per runner she foals. She was also unraced, from what i can find, and has foot issues. Maimonides 2 most famous siblings, Roman Ruler and El Corredor had foot issues. That's pretty fragile. He has a world of talent obviously, and hopefully he has a nice full career. However, with that purchase price, pedigree and family history, I'm not holding my breath.

Not to mention Baffert standing at the rail yelling "Faster! Faster!"

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Not only was his sire fragile, but the dam had thrown 6 runners that I have found. They have combined to make 46 total starts or an average of about 8 start per runner she foals. She was also unraced, from what i can find, and has foot issues. Maimonides 2 most famous siblings, Roman Ruler and El Corredor had foot issues. That's pretty fragile. He has a world of talent obviously, and hopefully he has a nice full career. However, with that purchase price, pedigree and family history, I'm not holding my breath.

didnt I already say that....is there an echo in here, or am i bouncing off to many message boards

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

She was also unraced.

His unraced dam was kin to a pair of horses who did compile 50 or more starts in their career.

In order to bring the $4.6 million he fetched as a yearling, he also had to be very correct.

I really hope this horse does well.

It might start a trend where others who pay fortunes for horses at select yearling sales, don't keep them in mothballs as 2-year-olds.....you know, like Godolphin is doing right now.

[miraja2]

The fact that his sire and broodmare sire COMBINED for only 6 lifetime starts is of course a cause for concern about his ability to stay healthy.
Health issues aside however, I think the thing about this horse's pedigree to keep in mind is that he is tailor-made for being a good 2yo. His sire was obviously a very fast 2yo who has already sired some nice 2yos, his broodmare sire was also a graded stakes winner at 2, and his dam has already produced a multiple-graded stakes winner at 2. Clearly he comes from a family of fast-developing horses.
That doesn't mean that he might not be a good 3yo too, but it does increase the chances that while others colts improve dramatically over the next 12 months, this one may already be close to his peak.