Godolphin/Darley article

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by NoChanceToDance

Did i ever mention it was a tight budget? No?

Lets just say they are more careful with their money than the Godolphin crew, by far.

Both are bad for spending the amounts of money they do, but Godolphin do it much more often than Coomore do.

I'm not talking about yearlings by the way, this topic was never about yearlings! It was the stupid amounts that they pay for the older horses already in training and been on the track.

Ever see Coolmore do that? No, didn't think so.

Whether it's yearlings or older horses in training, it's their money and it helps the little guy they are buying from. What's the problem with that?!

[NoChanceToDance]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

Whether it's yearlings or older horses in training, it's their money and it helps the little guy they are buying from. What's the problem with that?!

That is the problem, it's helping the sellers, but not helping racing at all. Most of these owners they are buying from don't bother re investing it into racing as they cannot keep up with the dominance and they know as soon as they get a half decent horse, a bid which they cannot refuse will come in for Godolphin.

I wouldn't mind, but they buy these horses and then ruin them, that is what annoys me the most. I want to see these good horses, but as soon as they go to Godolphin, the chance of seeing them do any good again is almost nill.

I was speaking to someone from a top yard the other day, an one of their star fillies looks like she will going to Godolphin at the end of the season, he just said "well, that's another to hit the dust", same happened with another horse he used to look after named Vista Bella. It's heartbraking for these people.

In my opinion, they are ruining racing in the UK.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by NoChanceToDance

That is the problem, it's helping the sellers, but not helping racing at all. Most of these owners they are buying from don't bother re investing it into racing as they cannot keep up with the dominance and they know as soon as they get a half decent horse, a bid which they cannot refuse will come in for Godolphin.

I wouldn't mind, but they buy these horses and then ruin them, that is what annoys me the most. I want to see these good horses, but as soon as they go to Godolphin, the chance of seeing them do any good again is almost nill.

I was speaking to someone from a top yard the other day, an one of their star fillies looks like she will going to Godolphin at the end of the season, he just said "well, that's another to hit the dust", same happened with another horse he used to look after named Vista Bella. It's heartbraking for these people.

In my opinion, they are ruining racing in the UK.

And that is Godolphin's problem how?

[NoChanceToDance]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

And that is Godolphin's problem how?

If they didn't buy these old horses for 10 times their value year after year, it wouldn't really happen. Smaller owners would not feel pressured into making a sale and they wouldn't feel like they were being dominated all of the time.

It is driving many of the smaller owners out of the industry. They take their money and run and put it into an industry with a greater return.

The problem is that it is these owners that the horse racing authorities are trying to appeal to, but how can they when this is happening?

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by NoChanceToDance

If they didn't buy these old horses for 10 times their value year after year, it wouldn't really happen. Smaller owners would not feel pressured into making a sale and they wouldn't feel like they were being dominated all of the time.

It is driving many of the smaller owners out of the industry. They take their money and run and put it into an industry with a greater return.

The problem is that it is these owners that the horse racing authorities are trying to appeal to, but how can they when this is happening?

Being dominated?! Ha,ha,ha! These people are making out like bandits...they are the bad guys in the situation if they are not choosing to re-invest in the sport and obviously they are the ones who do not give a damn about the sport to not do so. Horseracing is a sport which you get into knowing you're probably going to take a loss and if they are failing to realize this when they get in then obviously they are the folks with the bad business plan.

You have a serious problem with people who have money.

[NoChanceToDance]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

Being dominated?! Ha,ha,ha! These people are making out like bandits...they are the bad guys in the situation if they are not choosing to re-invest in the sport and obviously they are the ones who do not give a damn about the sport to not do so. Horseracing is a sport which you get into knowing you're probably going to take a loss and if they are failing to realize this when they get in then obviously they are the folks with the bad business plan.

You have a serious problem with people who have money.

They are not choosing to re invest into the sport because of the domination of certain big organisations. Owners have to make a living, no matter how big or small they are. Some of them get a nice horse and it gets snatched away from them.

It happens on a weekly basis over here.

If we didn't have Godolphin it wouldn't happen.

They apparently have a superb breeding organisation, so why don't they put faith into it and use the home bred horses? Instead of buying everyone else's? It is drawing the public away from racing, following nice horses until they get bought and then they disappear into a big blue hole.

They have no plan, just just try and buy themselves out of trouble, and so far it hasn't worked, and i doubt it ever will work with the money they spend and the fact they don't seem to put any faith in their breeding operation.

They need to sort themsleves out before they get left too far behind by Coolmore and Juddmonte.

Juddmonte do a fantastic job, they don't have to rely on other people's horses or other people's yearlings. But they too have the money to do so if they liked. Each year they have a successful one, doesn't this tell Godolphin/Darley anything. Doesn't it tell them that they are failing to run a business.

They seem to be unable to runa business and unable to train racehorses.

They have ruined the economy of Newmarket, they promised hundreds of jobs, where were they?

In America they have a different set up, and they succeed. While Crisford and Ferguson are at the head of affairs, the Godolphin downfall will continue.

That is all i have say.

Please feel free to visit Newmarket anytime you like and you will see what i'm talking about.

At the end of the day, i think this article is a really good piece of writing from a factual point of view. If anyone knows the Observer that well, they will know that this paper isn't the sort to write nonsense and not be able to back it's comments up.

Not opinion, but fact.

I'm done.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by NoChanceToDance

They are not choosing to re invest into the sport because of the domination of certain big organisations. Owners have to make a living, no matter how big or small they are. Some of them get a nice horse and it gets snatched away from them.

So they snatch them away by paying 10 times the value for them? Those poor small owners CHOOSING to sell their horses for vast sums of money. How will they ever survive?

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by NoChanceToDance

They are not choosing to re invest into the sport because of the domination of certain big organisations. Owners have to make a living, no matter how big or small they are. Some of them get a nice horse and it gets snatched away from them.

It happens on a weekly basis over here.

If we didn't have Godolphin it wouldn't happen.

They apparently have a superb breeding organisation, so why don't they put faith into it and use the home bred horses? Instead of buying everyone else's? It is drawing the public away from racing, following nice horses until they get bought and then they disappear into a big blue hole.

They have no plan, just just try and buy themselves out of trouble, and so far it hasn't worked, and i doubt it ever will work with the money they spend and the fact they don't seem to put any faith in their breeding operation.

They need to sort themsleves out before they get left too far behind by Coolmore and Juddmonte.

Juddmonte do a fantastic job, they don't have to rely on other people's horses or other people's yearlings. But they too have the money to do so if they liked. Each year they have a successful one, doesn't this tell Godolphin/Darley anything. Doesn't it tell them that they are failing to run a business.

They seem to be unable to runa business and unable to train racehorses.

They have ruined the economy of Newmarket, they promised hundreds of jobs, where were they?

In America they have a different set up, and they succeed. While Crisford and Ferguson are at the head of affairs, the Godolphin downfall will continue.

That is all i have say.

Please feel free to visit Newmarket anytime you like and you will see what i'm talking about.

At the end of the day, i think this article is a really good piece of writing from a factual point of view. If anyone knows the Observer that well, they will know that this paper isn't the sort to write nonsense and not be able to back it's comments up.

Not opinion, but fact.

I'm done.

To be honest, I got the sense the article was based more than anything on disgruntled former employee points of view. Your friend, the former Goldolphin employee... was he let go or move on for better opportunity?

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by NoChanceToDance

They need to sort themsleves out before they get left too far behind by Coolmore and Juddmonte..

why do you care that they sort it out? I thought your claim was that they are ruining racing, wouldn't you want them to fall more behind and fail so that they don't ruin Newmarket?

Originally Posted by NoChanceToDance

At the end of the day, i think this article is a really good piece of writing from a factual point of view. If anyone knows the Observer that well, they will know that this paper isn't the sort to write nonsense and not be able to back it's comments up.

Not opinion, but fact.

It may have had some facts in it but it read to me like a hit piece, not some objective analysis of the situation. It did not appear balanced at all, it seemed like the objective was to fire a shot at them since they are having a down time over there. Come on, look at the title "What A Waste of Money".
Ostensibly the reason for the article was the result of the King George but its quite clear that they had this material prepared and were waiting for the right moment to unload.

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by NoChanceToDance

While Crisford and Ferguson are at the head of affairs, the Godolphin downfall will continue.

If anyone knows the Observer that well, they will know that this paper isn't the sort to write nonsense and not be able to back it's comments up.

This thread is littered with absurdities and i won't comment on each one but this? This was funny.

You're blaming Crisford now?

C'mon be serious here.

As far as the Observer that's one of the reasons i asked if it was by a staff writer or a freelancer. They're not responsible for the opinions of a freelancer. You said yourself former employees were interviewed... what does that tell you?

What it tells me is exactly what STS said.

edit - Finished reading through this..... agree with Sniper, Sightseek and AJ.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

And that is Godolphin's problem how?

of course not and its also the kind of generic broadside that cannot be backed up. how in the world would anyone be able to keep track of what "these owners" are doing with their money?

i would think that most owners would be tickled pink to develop a horse that someone wants to purchase at an outrageuous sum. and as I always point out if they don't want to sell they are free not to, and I could understand that some might not want to part with the horse no matter what.

picturing myself in that situation I know I would be smiling and then trying to figure out how to do it again.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by NoChanceToDance

That is the problem, it's helping the sellers, but not helping racing at all. Most of these owners they are buying from don't bother re investing it into racing as they cannot keep up with the dominance and they know as soon as they get a half decent horse, a bid which they cannot refuse will come in for Godolphin.

I wouldn't mind, but they buy these horses and then ruin them, that is what annoys me the most. I want to see these good horses, but as soon as they go to Godolphin, the chance of seeing them do any good again is almost nill.

I was speaking to someone from a top yard the other day, an one of their star fillies looks like she will going to Godolphin at the end of the season, he just said "well, that's another to hit the dust", same happened with another horse he used to look after named Vista Bella. It's heartbraking for these people.

In my opinion, they are ruining racing in the UK.

Dude, don't you work for Coomore? How can anyone take your opinion on the matter at face value?

[NoChanceToDance]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Dude, don't you work for Coomore? How can anyone take your opinion on the matter at face value?

Wrong.