Sumwon Update

SuffolkGirl · #1 08-06-2007, 08:05 PM

I didn't get to hear that piece of the show. Any reasons given or just a freshening? I'll try to get the archive of the piece or get in the car a bit early tomorrow am to catch it but any more info would be most appreciated.

pointman · #2 08-06-2007, 08:24 PM

all that Steve said was that and added unless she tells us differently. Not sure how to interpret that. He probably said it within 5 minutes before I posted it, so it is probably in the 6:00 to 6:30 slot of the program. Not sure of the reasoning, I am sure Steve will shed some more light on it.

SniperSB23 · #3 08-06-2007, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by SuffolkGirl

I didn't get to hear that piece of the show. Any reasons given or just a freshening? I'll try to get the archive of the piece or get in the car a bit early tomorrow am to catch it but any more info would be most appreciated.

Just a freshening, she's been in training for a while.

Danzig · #4 08-06-2007, 08:27 PM

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Just a freshening, she's been in training for a while.

yes, she has. time for a break. they all need one from time to time.

SniperSB23 · #5 08-06-2007, 08:31 PM

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yes, she has. time for a break. they all need one from time to time.

As Chuck said, better to take one now by choice than later by necessity. Those mile and forty yards at Fairgrounds should be perfect for her.

Danzig · #6 08-06-2007, 08:35 PM

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As Chuck said, better to take one now by choice than later by necessity. Those mile and forty yards at Fairgrounds should be perfect for her.

yeah, someone said that if 9f doesn't fit her, than saratoga wouldn't be the right place for her...

whatever needs to be done to keep her happy and healthy. that is more important than anything.

SniperSB23 · #7 08-06-2007, 08:36 PM

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yeah, someone said that if 9f doesn't fit her, than saratoga wouldn't be the right place for her...

whatever needs to be done to keep her happy and healthy. that is more important than anything.

She won't be her best at 9 furlongs but I am pretty confident if we ran that race on Saturday with the track conditions the way they were that she would have won.

dellinger63 · #8 08-06-2007, 09:02 PM

From what Chuck said a week before her race Sunday, she was going to run once and maybe twice regardless of outcome, before getting a rest. But I understood the aim was running as a 4-yr old (after the 1rst of the year) as the FG's cards restricted races for 4 yr old mares that often come up light. It sounds like he is following through with that plan.

SniperSB23 · #9 08-06-2007, 09:59 PM

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I'm curious Sniper or anyone else that thinks it, why do you think the track was so different from Saturday to Sunday? What was so different?

Only one horse (the winner of the 3rd) did anything on the rail in the stretch on Sunday. Both the routes had six furlong splits around 1:13 and the horses stopped at the exact same point on the rail in the stretch. The day before there was the Three in the Bag race where he ran six in 1:10 and then held on to win on the rail over a bunch of superior horses. My guess would be there were some complaints about the Three in the Bag race on Saturday and so they tried to slow down the rail and wound up overcompensating.

ddthetide · #10 08-06-2007, 10:17 PM

several of us had this conversation saturday during the 10th race. NO horse went gate-to-wire until the 8th and 9th races. any horse on the lead all "bogged" down in the same place, right about the 1/8th pole and the closers ran by, word i used was quicksand.. our thought for sunday was, if we have to be on the lead, try and go gate-to-wire, after seeing it finally done. both times it was done, the lead horse had about 1 1/2 length lead and the gaps never changed by the wire.
Sumwon fought off the 8 to just before the 1/16th pole, suddenly the 8 explodes by her followed by the 6-7. she was tiring but never quit but didn't have the fight like at CD.
had it been the 7th race sunday it may have been different.

Benny Leger · #11 08-07-2007, 10:49 PM

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I'm curious Sniper or anyone else that thinks it, why do you think the track was so different from Saturday to Sunday? What was so different?

Having been there on Sat. and Sun. it seemed to me that the track was faster, later in the card on Sat. At least two winners went "box to wire" leading up to Dream Rush's awesome effort in the Test. Maybe the track super juiced it up for the graded stakes race. IMO they were not getting over it as well on Sun.

ArlJim78 · #12 08-06-2007, 09:36 PM

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As Chuck said, better to take one now by choice than later by necessity. Those mile and forty yards at Fairgrounds should be perfect for her.

i think you're right about that.

Scav · #13 08-06-2007, 09:42 PM

Those Churchill races were grueling, and don't forget she has already improved tenfold, alot going on for her in the last 4 months. She gets 75 days to chill and then she is ready to go in the durty.

Personally, from a sheet perspective, my guess is that she finally 'bounced', for lack of a better term, to about a 10.5 or 11, time to chill

Bigsmc · #14 08-07-2007, 11:12 AM

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Those Churchill races were grueling, and don't forget she has already improved tenfold, alot going on for her in the last 4 months. She gets 75 days to chill and then she is ready to go in the durty.

Personally, from a sheet perspective, my guess is that she finally 'bounced', for lack of a better term, to about a 10.5 or 11, time to chill

She got a 76 Beyer.

Kasept · #15 08-06-2007, 09:45 PM

Chuck will add more, but here's the situation. The thought had been to turnout for 90 days and launch a 4yo campaign at FG... BUT, there is an interesting substitute race (Starter ALW at 7f) at Saratoga that fits her very well the day after Travers that has Chuck intrigued. Give Chuck a few days and I think we'll know more.

Scav · #16 08-06-2007, 09:47 PM

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Chuck will add more, but here's the situation. The thought had been to turnout for 90 days and launch a 4yo campaign at FG... BUT, there is an interesting substitute race (Starter ALW at 7f) at Saratoga that fits her very well the day after Travers that has Chuck intrigued. Give Chuck a few days and I think we'll know more.

Don't you think a race like that has the potential to be 12 deep and all sorts of craziness. People would ship in left and right for a race like that at a Toga type purse

pmacdaddy · #17 08-06-2007, 09:52 PM

Very interesting. We will stay tuned...

phystech · #18 08-07-2007, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept

Chuck will add more, but here's the situation. The thought had been to turnout for 90 days and launch a 4yo campaign at FG... BUT, there is an interesting substitute race (Starter ALW at 7f) at Saratoga that fits her very well the day after Travers that has Chuck intrigued. Give Chuck a few days and I think we'll know more.

Starter allowances can certainly come up salty in general but you'd have to hope this one wouldn't be AS salty because of the condition excluding alw winners. Could still run up against a tough hard knocking claimer that for some reason hasn't won an allowance race. I would think this one would be more like the $50k claimer at CD we ran in than anything else.

I also like that perhaps this is a way to save the N1X condition and still run for a nice purse before the layoff. Conditions are an owner's best friend and anytime you can take full advantage of them while maximizing your purse earnings along the way, you usually end up much better off financially.

Given the purses Sumwon has run for, I haven't been disappointed at all in her running second a few times before she breaks the N1X condition. Unless you have a horse that can run through conditions quickly on their way to stakes company, milking big purse conditions is ok with me.