NYRA gate crew

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

Well it's definitely the impression you want to leave with patrons who are at the races for the first time. Let's show them how the gate crew works with their overboard chants of no and piss poor composure for a profession where it's a requirement. Let's also show these new patrons that we'll scratch the horse but won't refund any other wagers even though the scratched horse interfered with one of the front runners.

That ought to sell the new patrons and convince them to come back.

With today's event....I totally agree! Enough with the "screams' as they go into the gate. These guys are getting all to common with events like this.

[MaTH716]

Question, Levine entered a claim for Rumspringa. He was declared a non starter. What Happens? and Why?

Originally Posted by MaTH716

Question, Levine entered a claim for Rumspringa. He was declared a non starter. What Happens? and Why?

Levine celebrates by doing 5 keg stands in a row.

Oh so Levine is stuck with him now. Well in that case...

Basement, chair, noose.

[MaTH716]

I think Winning move stables (the owners before the race) are getting screwed. I guess that they didn't mind losing the horse, because that had a good shot of making some purse money. Then they lose him and have absolutely no chance at any purse money. That doesn't seem fair. Isn't being a non starter essentially the same thing as not being in the race. If he was scratched at the gate he would not be able to be claimed, right? The argument would have been the same thing on the other side if (God Forbid) he broke down during the race. How could you claim a horse that is declared a non-starter. You would think that NYRA would have a clear cut rule for this sort of thing.

Levine's KEGGER probably had to wait for the 16 Rolaids he must have popped during the running of that race. Let's just say that there were a few anxious moments.

[MaTH716]

So the rule is there to protect the bettors. I guess this type of situation has not come up that often, where the jock falls off the horse because of a gate mishap. Maybe they could amend the rule, for a freak occurrence like this one. I understand that the owners still had the chance to get some purse money, but because of the starter Ramon fell off. Then they lose the horse. Still seems unfair.

[parsixfarms]

Here is the rule, from the NYS Racing and Wagering Board website:

THOROUGHBRED

Sections 4009.21 and 4115.10 of Title 9E NYCRR are amended to read as follows:

4009.21 Refund -- non-starter.

(a) When a horse starts. Every horse shall be considered a starter when the stall gates open on the signal of the starter, unless the stewards declare a horse or horses non-starters because, in their opinion, the horses’ chances were compromised leaving the starting gate. If so, all bets on the non-starters will be refunded unless the horse wins. For placing and program purposes, the non-starters will be considered to have run for purse only.

(b) If it be determined by the stewards that a horse is declared a non-starter, the money bet on the horse shall be refunded; if such horse is part of an entry or field, such circumstances shall be treated as a scratch for wagering as provided in section 4009.20 of this Part, notwithstanding the placing of any remaining part of the entry or field.

[MaTH716]

Contessa is appealing the claim. Who do you guys think should get the horse? I believe that Contessa should keep the horse, for reasons listed in other posts in the thread. But I have a bad feeling that the claim will stand and he will be Levine's.

[10 pnt move up]

I think the claim should be voided...