Borel is Fired Up

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I don't think it's going to be a gimme either, but who is out there that could give him a run? I'm not sold on Lawyer Ron, don't ask me why. That was just too good a performance, by a good, but not that good a horse. Maybe Pletcher has moved him up that much, but something stinks in that race.

maybe, but what is it that stinks? it looks honest in all respects. the only thing that will answer that question is more races.

as far as who could beat Street Sense? I don't know yet, I'll tell you the day before the Travers, how's that?

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

maybe, but what is it that stinks? it looks honest in all respects. the only thing that will answer that question is more races.

as far as who could beat Street Sense? I don't know yet, I'll tell you the day before the Travers, how's that?

LOL... why say you know Street Sense could get beat when you don't even know which horses are in the field?

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

LOL... why say you know Street Sense could get beat when you don't even know which horses are in the field?

because obvious horses lose all the time.

because Street Sense has been beaten before.

because I don't see him moving forward as a 3yo.

because I know that other 3yo's are developing/improving.

therefore, depending on who shows up in the Travers I do think he is elligible to get beat at miniscule odds.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Circumstances can beat a superior horse.

Lawyer Ron is one race removed from losing to Gottcha Gold at 1/9 odds.

Gottcha Gold was one of six wire-to-wire winners from 8 dirt races that day at Monmouth. The other two pacesetters finished 2nd and 3rd, one of which at 43/1 odds. Several of the wire-to-wire winners that day didn't exactly figure...one of them won by 6 blowout lengths at 30/1 odds after setting a fast pace.

Now, Lawyer Ron ran a 108 Beyer figure against the grain of the powerful speed bias when defeated at MTH last out. It's hard to argue that a losing effort to Gottcha Gold was an indentical performance to winning the Whitney in track record time, however....it's not so hard to argue that a horse capable of running a 108 Beyer against the teeth of a strong speed bias, is very capable of "improving" to a 115 in a truly and fairly run race.

Street Sense had another lovely inside-out trip in the Jim Dandy, but he didn't get the wicked pace he needs to produce his best form...and thus was unable to make that spectacular far turn move that single handedly can break open a race that is run with a crazy fast pace (as the BC Juvie, Derby, and Preakness all happened to be run.) The 2nd place horse in the Dandy is elidgible for N1X alw races, and the terrible Cowtown Cat...was reasonably competitive in that race.

For Street Sense to win the Breeders Cup Classic, he's going to need another one of those scorching fast paces coupled with another rail skimming ride from Borel.

I would prefer Lawyer Ron's chances of those two at this stage. However, there are three capable horses running in the Haskell, and I would not be surprised at all if something really steps up and runs a career top in that race, of the big three.

[cmorioles]

I think it is beyond silly to say Street Sense needs to stay on the rail. I also don't think he needs a great setup to beat Lawyer Ron going 10f, just an average one.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

What stinks? Come on man. He ran Ghostzapper fast in the race. All of the sudden midway through his 4 year old year he has a breakthrough like that? And Wanderin Boy, where did his super fast race come from? It just seems fishy to me. I find it hard to believe either horse has a race like that in them. I could be wrong, but head to head I'll take Street Sense over Lawyer Ron if they meet up in the Classic.

I know he ran a fast race, his best race, it happens. I think you may be missing the big picture. This didn't happen overnight for Lawyer Ron. In the past it was not uncommon for horses to come into their own at 4.

For the classic, if they both do make it, at this point I would definetely go with Lawyer Ron headsup. I have this gut feeling though that Street Sense won't make it.