Lawyer Ron's Time

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by Kimmeastar

Why can't you all just enjoy it and be happy for the horse and his connections?

Ditto that! The rest is blood clot, mon.

[philcski]

I made my figs for the day and reviewed them with a fine tooth comb. The number Beyer gave him (and the rest of the field) was an adjustment (a 116.) Here's what I got (my fig then the Beyer equivalent in parentheses) and a justification:

R1 101 (73): No recent fig on the winner, 2nd place (beaten 1l) Wood Winner had a 98 last out.
R2 105 (80): [2yo's, although this is par for 2YO MSW at SAR]
R3 Turf
R4 100 (72): Winner had a 97 last out, 2nd (beaten 1l) 98, and 3rd (1l) 96. Probably a point or two high, but longshot winning races are often bizarre.
R5 106 (82): Another longshot winner, moved up 10 lengths (I don't have much confidence in this figure but there were a lot of firsters in there so not much to work off of)
R6 107 (83): Winner had a 104 last out, 2nd 100 (off long layoff), 3rd 103.
R7 Turf
R8 The AGVandy: 116 (104): Winner had a 116 in the Carter (last fig I have). Very evenly matched group on my figs and they ran like it. All were in the 113-117 range
R9 The Go For Wand: 113 (93): Winner had a 108 and 109 last two, steadily improving
R10 The Whitney 132 (123): Winner 125 @ Mth, 2nd (5l) 122 @ CD, 6th (10l)122 @ Aqu, 7th (11l) 120 @ Aqu, 9th 122 (12l) @ Bel, 10th 119 (14l) @ Bel
R11 99 (70) Winner a 99 last out, 3rd (3l) 96

Basically the top 3 ran their eyeballs out. It happens. They probably won't run that fast again, ever. The Beyer just CANNOT only be 17 points higher than the Go For Wand- the time is 18 lengths faster, which at a mile and an eighth translates to 30 Beyer points (precisely what my figures state, even using a different method and scale.)

Take it for what it's worth but if the Whitney Beyer is "officially" a 116, the Go For Wand should "officially" be an 86. Neither are right as they stand.

[sumitas]

If the NYRA cannot verify the clocking then they should throw the time out and leave the track record as it was. In other words Lawyer Ron should be awarded the unofficial track record. The official track record stands.

[31lengths]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Ditto that! The rest is blood clot, mon.

So what was the final BSF?

....that's bumba claat, mon.

[robfla]

Originally Posted by 31lengths

So what was the final BSF?

....that's bumba claat, mon.

Whitney (Sar): Lawyer Ron (T. Pletcher/J. Velazquez) - 116
Bing Crosby (Dmr): In Summation (C. Clement/C. Nakatani) - 111
Alfred G. Vanderbilt (Sar): Diabolical (S. Klesaris/M. Pino) - 106
Diana (Sar): My Typhoon (Ire) (W. Mott/E. Castro) - 106
Washington Park (AP): Lewis Michael (W. Catalano/E. Baird) - 105
Sanford (Sar): Ready's Image (T. Pletcher/J. Velazquez) - 104
Jim Dandy (Sar): Street Sense (C. Nafzger/C. Borel) - 104

[CoronadosQuest]

Time has been verified as correct

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/mo..._for_todd.html

RIGHT ON TIME: Lawyer Ron's time in the Whitney - his 1:46.64 broke the existing track record by two-fifths of a second - was confirmed after repeated re-testings by NYRA officials. Stephen Foster, who electronically hand-times every race as a check against the automatic Teletimer, initially caught Lawyer Ron in a nearly identical time as the live race. He and two other independent sources clocked the race off of the replay, and every one caught Lawyer Ron under the old 1:47 record co-held by Tri Jet and Left Bank.

[Danzig]

well, that's that.

who would have thought lawyer ron would leap to the fore, and in such a big way?

[gamblin4ever]

IMO the time didnt matter as much as Lawyer Ron's visually impressive win.

But glad the time has been verified.

Congrats to Lawyer Ron and connections

[31lengths]

Originally Posted by robfla

Whitney (Sar): Lawyer Ron (T. Pletcher/J. Velazquez) - 116
Bing Crosby (Dmr): In Summation (C. Clement/C. Nakatani) - 111
Alfred G. Vanderbilt (Sar): Diabolical (S. Klesaris/M. Pino) - 106
Diana (Sar): My Typhoon (Ire) (W. Mott/E. Castro) - 106
Washington Park (AP): Lewis Michael (W. Catalano/E. Baird) - 105
Sanford (Sar): Ready's Image (T. Pletcher/J. Velazquez) - 104
Jim Dandy (Sar): Street Sense (C. Nafzger/C. Borel) - 104

Thanks.