The Whitney

brianwspencer · #1 07-26-2007, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2

Well....at least it is a pretty big field.

Whitney Handicap. - Grade: 1
Saratoga - July 28th, 2007 - Race 10
Estimated Local Post Time: 5:46 PM
Age Restriction: Three Year Old and Upward
Purse: $750,000
Distance: One And One Eighth Miles
Surface: Dirt

Post Horse Name Age Sex Weight Jockey Name

1 Flashy Bull (KY) 4 Colt 118 Alan Garcia
2 Papi Chullo (FL) 5 Horse 115 Eibar Coa
3 Brass Hat (KY) 6 Gelding 118 Willie Martinez
4 Fairbanks (KY) 4 Colt 116 Richard Migliore
5 Wanderin Boy (KY) 6 Horse 117 Rafael Bejarano
6 Sun King (KY) 5 Horse 117 Corey S. Nakatani
7 Magna Graduate (KY) 5 Horse 118 Garrett K. Gomez
8 Student Council (KY) 5 Horse 115 Robby Albarado
9 Diamond Stripes (FL) 4 Gelding 116 Edgar S. Prado
10 Dry Martini (FL) 4 Gelding 117 Cornelio H. Velasquez
11 Lawyer Ron (KY) 4 Colt 118 John R. Velazquez
12 Awesome Twist (KY) 5 Horse 114 Javier Castellano

Anyone know what the ML odds are? What kind of price could I expect on Martini with the other ones signed on in here? He runs his ass off everytime, and would certainly seem close on his best, but this is going to be a huge test for him.

philcski · #2 07-26-2007, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Anyone know what the ML odds are? What kind of price could I expect on Martini with the other ones signed on in here? He runs his ass off everytime, and would certainly seem close on his best, but this is going to be a huge test for him.

ML's will be available tomorrow, but I'd guess he'll be the 2nd or 3rd longest shot on the board at post time. Higher than 25-1 and lower than 40-1.

brianwspencer · #3 07-26-2007, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski

ML's will be available tomorrow, but I'd guess he'll be the 2nd or 3rd longest shot on the board at post time. Higher than 25-1 and lower than 40-1.

That's around the ballpark I was thinking, too. He's facing a crew of big ones in here, but with how wide open this division is and how these races have been unfolding, I don't see it as too crazy to see him crashing the exotics.

Maybe it is crazy...who knows!

philcski · #4 07-26-2007, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by brianwspencer

That's around the ballpark I was thinking, too. He's facing a crew of big ones in here, but with how wide open this division is and how these races have been unfolding, I don't see it as too crazy to see him crashing the exotics.

Maybe it is crazy...who knows!

I don't think it's crazy. I'd much rather bet a hard trying grinder in this type of field than a Fairbanks all-or-nothing type. Can he win? doubtful... but 3rd, 4th is well within his ability.

ALostTexan · #5 07-26-2007, 03:21 PM

I don't know about anyone else, but I think that this, on paper, is shaping up to be one of the best races of the year thus far. Alot of talent in this field...

philcski · #6 07-30-2007, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by brianwspencer

That's around the ballpark I was thinking, too. He's facing a crew of big ones in here, but with how wide open this division is and how these races have been unfolding, I don't see it as too crazy to see him crashing the exotics.

Maybe it is crazy...who knows!

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Originally Posted by philcski

I don't think it's crazy. I'd much rather bet a hard trying grinder in this type of field than a Fairbanks all-or-nothing type. Can he win? doubtful... but 3rd, 4th is well within his ability.

Beaten a length for 4th (by Fairbanks, of course

)and three for 3rd. Not bad. Got bet a little more than I expected, 18-1.

hoovesupsideyourhead · #7 07-31-2007, 04:28 PM

my only two comments on the day was.."brass hat will have a sign on his ass that says pass on the right'..AND WANDERING BOY RUNS BIG..

letswastemoney · #8 07-31-2007, 04:40 PM

One must wonder what were those horses eating that morning

Must be some horse version of Wheaties.

robfla · #9 07-26-2007, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by brianwspencer

That's around the ballpark I was thinking, too. He's facing a crew of big ones in here, but with how wide open this division is and how these races have been unfolding, I don't see it as too crazy to see him crashing the exotics.

Maybe it is crazy...who knows!

i say closer to 15 to 1 than 40 to 1

his last race was no slouch..the 2nd place horse came back and won next out.. and he should pick up the pieces late

robfla · #10 07-26-2007, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by brianwspencer

That's around the ballpark I was thinking, too. He's facing a crew of big ones in here, but with how wide open this division is and how these races have been unfolding, I don't see it as too crazy to see him crashing the exotics.

Maybe it is crazy...who knows!

i say closer to 15 to 1 than 40 to 1

his last race was no slouch..his last 3 for that matter and he should pick up the pieces late

whodey17 · #11 07-26-2007, 04:08 PM

Now this is what a Grade I field should be (in size). I think it is a great betting race, completely wide open (only a couple of toss outs for me), and I feel that it has a diverse set of runners to make the race exciting.

miraja2 · #12 07-26-2007, 04:19 PM

Although there certainly aren't any great horses in here, it looks like the '78 JCGC if you compare it to the "G2" Washington Park Handicap at Arlington.
That race is a complete joke this year.

brianwspencer · #13 07-26-2007, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2

Although there certainly aren't any great horses in here, it looks like the '78 JCGC if you compare it to the "G2" Washington Park Handicap at Arlington.
That race is a complete joke this year.

How does this sound for an Illinois stallion:Grade II winner Lewis Michael?

He's going to walk......but that's for another thread.

brianwspencer · #14 07-26-2007, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by robfla

i say closer to 15 to 1 than 40 to 1

his last race was no slouch..his last 3 for that matter and he should pick up the pieces late

I don't think he'll be 40/1, but 15/1 would seem like a lot of money for him to take in a field with some runners who look like they'll take a lot of the money like Brass Hat, Magna Graduate, Wanderin Boy, Papi Chullo, Lawyer Ron, and Flashy Bull. I'd think he'd be around 15/1 if he were in a field of seven just with those mentioned.

gamblin4ever · #15 07-26-2007, 06:06 PM

M/L odds on drf

Dry Martini is 15/1
Brass Hat = 20/1
Papi Chullo = 9/2
Flashy Bull = 4/1

Looks like some good value in here,also P4 looks good

letswastemoney · #16 07-26-2007, 06:11 PM

Brass Hat had a 98 beyer last time. It was nothing special. He broke the track record on a souped up surface.

#17 07-26-2007, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by letswastemoney

Brass Hat had a 98 beyer last time. It was nothing special. He broke the track record on a souped up surface.

Off a year layoff and a 36 year old record to boot. I'm not saying he should be the favorite but he should, at the very least, be considered in the top 5 for this race. 20-1 makes is seem like there is an east coast bias...oh wait nvmd.

whodey17 · #18 07-26-2007, 06:58 PM

I think Sun King and Brass Hat should be reversed. But again, these are m/l odds. I am sure that Brass Hat will go off lower than 15-1.

ninetoone · #19 07-26-2007, 07:18 PM

If he goes off at 20-1 or higher, beers are on me at Breeder's Cup

Payson Dave · #20 07-26-2007, 07:32 PM

Contessa worked Papi Chullo 3f this morning...seemed to me that he was getting out on the turn...37.43 was ninth best of fifteen....Tagg had a un-raced, un-named,2yo FuPeg filly that worked in company ok