Breeders' Cup futures

[NoLuvForPletch]

Originally Posted by letswastemoney

Hey Tiago at 60-1.......

Even with the presence of Street Sense and Curlin....I wouldn't take Tiago too lightly. He might peak at the right time.

He's got no shot at the merry-go-round at Monmouth. Hard Spun will show exactly who will be there at the wire in a few weeks when he wires the Haskell, IMHO. I hope anyway.

[lemoncrush]

I don't know if these odds are actually available to bet on at the Hilton or anywhere else.
I saw Futures odds for the Breeders Cup about 6 weeks ago from the Wynn, and they weren't anything like these.
At the time, Rags to Riches was 4-1 to win the Distaff (this was prior to the Belmont).
The odds were all ridiculously bad.

[Dunbar]

Originally Posted by lemoncrush

I don't know if these odds are actually available to bet on at the Hilton or anywhere else.
I saw Futures odds for the Breeders Cup about 6 weeks ago from the Wynn, and they weren't anything like these.
At the time, Rags to Riches was 4-1 to win the Distaff (this was prior to the Belmont).
The odds were all ridiculously bad.

Why would you expect future odds at Wynn to be the same as at the Hilton? Especially when taken 6 weeks apart! Even on the same day, each racebook will generally have a unique set of future odds.

World Sports Exchange is the only offshore sportsbook I can find with BC future odds. They are notoriously un-competitive with what TheGreek and Pinnacle offer once those books put up future odds. The Hilton's odds dominate World's odds, but even World offers a few prices that are better than the Hilton's right now. For instance, if you like Dream Rush in the Distaff, you can get 18-1 at World vs 15-1 at Hilton. If you think Lava Man will make the trip to Monmouth and win the Classic, you can get 35-1 at World instead of 20-1 at Hilton.

On the other hand, if you like Buzzard's Bay, you're better off with the 40-1 at Hilton than the 30-1 at World.

I agree with you that one would be hard-pressed to find good bets from these future odds.

--Dunbar

[lemoncrush]

Originally Posted by Dunbar

Why would you expect future odds at Wynn to be the same as at the Hilton? Especially when taken 6 weeks apart! Even on the same day, each racebook will generally have a unique set of future odds.

World Sports Exchange is the only offshore sportsbook I can find with BC future odds. They are notoriously un-competitive with what TheGreek and Pinnacle offer once those books put up future odds. The Hilton's odds dominate World's odds, but even World offers a few prices that are better than the Hilton's right now. For instance, if you like Dream Rush in the Distaff, you can get 18-1 at World vs 15-1 at Hilton. If you think Lava Man will make the trip to Monmouth and win the Classic, you can get 35-1 at World instead of 20-1 at Hilton.

On the other hand, if you like Buzzard's Bay, you're better off with the 40-1 at Hilton than the 30-1 at World.

I agree with you that one would be hard-pressed to find good bets from these future odds.

--Dunbar

Odds are pretty competitive from casino to casino in Vegas. And I mentioned it because as the BC nears, the odds should be getting lower, not higher. The worst thing about Wynn is that they have odds available on horses that have NO chance in running. It's common for the Kentucky Derby futures, but I give them a break because the pool of eligible horses who could possibly make it is so much greater. Almost 3 months out of the BCC, you could probably come up with 50% of the field today.

[PPerfectfan]

Point Determined 75-1

When was the last time he actually ran in a race?? I have him on stable alert(ummm dont ask me why, maybe I was drunk one night and did it ) and he has worked every now and then but thats it. And only 75/1 on him. Atleast Cowtown Cat has run in the last year!!

[Dunbar]

Originally Posted by lemoncrush

Odds are pretty competitive from casino to casino in Vegas. And I mentioned it because as the BC nears, the odds should be getting lower, not higher.

Yes, we do expect the odds to get lower as the BC nears. But the example you gave was that Rags to Riches was 4-1 to win the Distaff at Wynn 6 weeks ago. Now she is 2-1 at Hilton. Nothing weird about that!

--Dunbar