Del Mar - Initial thoughts?

[wigmore]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

You, and a few others in this thread need to develop better reading comprehension skills.


I didn't compare the splits on that track to any other track...I compared it with the splits in other route races throughout the day.

I'm seriously done with this.

I'm not going to keep explaining this over and over to people who don't bother to finish reading.

I think its you who need to brush up on your reading skills.. What I said was that you were deciding what fractions were slow or not by comparing with those fractions run on a dirt track. You said 47 and change was genuine and 48 change would have been a once in lifetime set up on a dirt track. Who cares what 48 change would mean on a dirt track in this case?

47 change for the 10k claimers was not a "genuine" fraction as you said but in fact lighning fast compared to others on the day (and also the sprints from Day 1) and the horse who was second through those lightening splits was not beaten all that far.

The 2nd race the pace "very comfortable fractions of 48 for the half mile."
Now if that had been a dirt race as you admit it would have been disheartening to see that easly leader lose but this is not dirt and 48 change seems like a farily swift pace compared to other routes on the day. Spanish Bandit who was that pace setter had faded just ad badly on her turf race prior and had faield to last vs much weaker at Pleasanton. Is it a suprise that after moderate (maybe even fast fractions) that he faded yesterday? You could argue that he held on much better today than in either of his prior routes


PS before this arguement gets too heated you should know that you know me from another place

[Riot]

Having strong feelings or heated debate about a particular subject doesn't imply one has those feelings towards the poster debating one side of the issue at all - it just means people hold very strong opinons, and thus it's a subject important to many.

If we all thought alike, we wouldn't have pari-mutual betting

I have great respect for the people here who don't like synthetic surfaces, and I like hearing why they feel that way. Knowing the pluses and minuses benefits us all as handicappers.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by wigmore

47 change for the 10k claimers was not a "genuine" fraction as you said but in fact lighning fast compared to others on the day

What other board do I know you from?

You do realize that that race was THE FIRST ROUTE RACE run over Del Mar's polytrack? Right?

If you look at the way my post was structured, it was CLEARLY done so to show that jockeys and trainers had made a correction from seeing what happened in the first two races.

No **** 47 1/5, for 10K claiming fillies, is fast compared to 50 3/5ths for 75K older males in an allowance race.

Once again, you do realize that ZERO route races over the Del Mar polytrack had been run at the time of the 47 1/5th fraction??

I called it a truly run race because the riders rode the race as though they'd ride the race normally over dirt.

It's remarkable that I need to keep explaining something like this.

[wigmore]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

What other board do I know you from?

You do realize that that race was THE FIRST ROUTE RACE run over Del Mar's polytrack? Right?

If you look at the way my post was structured, it was CLEARLY done so to show that jockeys and trainers had made a correction from seeing what happened in the first two races.

No **** 47 1/5, for 10K claiming fillies, is fast compared to 50 3/5ths for 75K older males in an allowance race.

Once again, you do realize that ZERO route races over the Del Mar polytrack had been run at the time of the 47 1/5th fraction??

I called it a truly run race because the riders rode the race as though they'd ride the race normally over dirt.

It's remarkable that I need to keep explaining something like this.

Even if the jockeys rode that first race way too fast early the pace setter hung on at least as well as he had done in his prior races if not better. Would that horse have hung on as well in a 46 change on the drit?
The same is true of the pace setter in the second race.

Apart from the 7th where the splits very exceptionally slow (and the best horses finished well) pace setters ran ok...

I just dont see that these races look all that ugly if you take away the clock. The times are slower but the sprints have looked fair to me and the routes maybe edging closers but that isnt all that much different from a track like Belmont right?